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And of course they had to shoehorn some AI bullshit in it

(why I installed this driver: because i can remap the two extra buttons as copy/paste)

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 28 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Actual driver code: about 500KB. If that.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 17 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

500KB used to be the entire OS, application, drivers, and user data. Oh well.

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I have several Logitech peripherals. Why in the fuck does it need AI?!?!

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago

I mean, this was their idea last year...

Forever "Subscription Mouse"

I feel like "AI Mouse" is right up their alley.

[–] don@lemmy.ca 14 points 23 hours ago

Because CEOs.

[–] MML@sh.itjust.works 4 points 23 hours ago

To communicate with the 5th version of software they have somehow released between the time the product was created and you bought it.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We live in the age of bloated software.

[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

The Internet is so bloated because every page is bursting with telemetry and spa framework bullshit that over engineers a fucking music recital site.

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Saving this to share at work. What an abomination that, I am sorry you have to deal with it

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[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i wonder if a open source driver alternative exists.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 62 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Piper is less than 2MB, and allows reconfiguring Logitech mouse buttons. It's available in Debian and Ubuntu package managers.

Screenshot:

I had to use Piper to get exotic features like having mouse 6, 7, 8 buttons function as mouse 6, 7, 8, rather than the default of alt-tab and ctrl-v.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 13 points 23 hours ago

This is not a driver. The README itself says:

Piper is merely a graphical frontend to the ratbagd DBus daemon

ratbagd itself, BTW, is also not a driver.

The unofficial open source license is called logiops, and according to the Debian site most of its builds are also under 2MB (and the two builds that aren't are only slightly bigger)

There is also RatSlap, which I can't find information on how big it is (and I'm not going to bother installing it just to find out)

[–] Zink@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago

I never thought to look for something like this, but it looks fantastic so i’m going to try it. Thanks!

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[–] linrilang@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago

We detected you moved your mouse. Downloading 1GB of AI telemetry and 3GB of user experience optimizations…

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Fuck electron, fuck "web first" apps, fuck the "all application in the future will be websites" mentality.

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[–] KestrelAlex@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

X mouse button control

It can't detect some of the fancier buttons and gestures but it can often pickup buttons 4 and 5 for remapping, and it does chording and long press options to give you multiple functions without any AI bullshit.

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

+1 for using space sniffer. It's the best of such apps I've found. Unfortunately doesn't seem to get updated any more.

[–] supamanc@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Windirstat or kdirstat for the win

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That's not the driver but some bundled configuration & update bloatware.

Back in my days, you had to overwrite some .exe with a "0" to disable Nvidia from spying on you. The overwrite, because they would just download it again if you deleted the .exe.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

I remember installing a fresh PC with win98. During installation, I disabled some windows bloatware (Imagine! You actually could do this!), and ended up with an unresponsive, non-windows app blocking the system. I killed that app and removed it from the system. Keep in mind that at this point, no network connection was set up, nor did I install any driver or program yet, this was straight from the windows install medium.

After reboot, the app was back, and again blocking the system.

Wiping the harddisk and starting installation over did not help either.

Turned out this was some bloatware installed by the BIOS whenever it detected at boot that there was a) a Windows installation that was b) "missing" their "register your PC with us" app. This needed some Windows bloatware to work, and thus failed on this machine.

This was the only time I angrily screamed at a hotline worker.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 76 points 1 day ago

The driver for your mouse occupies a few kilobytes. The shitty app and AI garbage bloatware occupies the rest.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 42 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The mouse driver used with the Commodore 64's GEOS operating system uses 3 blocks on disk, less than a kilobyte.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most of the reason why the Logitech driver is so gargantuan is a separate Chromium browser instance, because someone thought that apps should be all websites first, which lead to most GUI libraries being developed for javascript and most devs being taught to be web developers.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

VSCode is also electron with a 100mb download size and 400mb install size. I think it has 1000x more functionality than some shit Logitech UI where you change LED colors. This sounds more like incompetence on the Logitech team than a problem with electron itself.

It's not like traditional methods of packing apps are without problems. If I want to install the qbittorrent flatpak on Ubuntu, it pulls in >1gb of KDE depenencies, so I really don't see how that's better than these dreaded electron apps.

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[–] orionsbelt@midwest.social 205 points 2 days ago (17 children)

maybe this will help, if you wanted to ditch the logi driver:

https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar

Solaar is a Linux manager for many Logitech keyboards, mice, and other devices that connect wirelessly to a Unifying, Bolt, Lightspeed or Nano receiver as well as many Logitech devices that connect via a USB cable or Bluetooth. Solaar is not a device driver and responds only to special messages from devices that are otherwise ignored by the Linux input system.

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[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Use the offline installer, which is for offline and airgapped machines. It turns off the AI prompt builder as well as all the telemetry shite:

https://support.logi.com/hc/en-us/articles/11570501236119-Logitech-Options-offline-installer

[–] bluesheep@sh.itjust.works 53 points 1 day ago (8 children)

AI prompt builder? What? It's a fucking mouse??????

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 97 points 2 days ago (2 children)

wtf AI in your mouse driver?

Oh yeah, totally not logging your every mouse movement, no sir, not at all!

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