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[–] punkfungus@sh.itjust.works 86 points 1 week ago (29 children)

More research isn't a bad thing, but this really isn't news. If you're a nerd who's into lifting you'd already know that soy protein is a top tier source of all the important amino acids for muscle gain. And it's cheaper than whey.

It's also not very popular because the manosphere tells men that consuming it will feminize them. Yes, really. They took the "soy boy" thing very literally and ran with it off the deep end.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I remember about a decade ago talking about tofu recipes with a colleague who lifted and ate a protein heavy diet.

An older colleague heard us and warned us that eating tofu would cause you to have a surplus of estrogen and make you more feminine.

He was telling this to a guy built like a brick shithouse who had eaten tons of soy protein for the better part of a decade.

It's that same old thing, something different comes along and some people just have to parrot anything that goes against that thing, even if it's complete and utter horseshit

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As a human survival trait we need to find a way to shut down misinformation. Knowledge is our path to survival as an animal. Like ants have teamwork and building, wildebeest have speed, plants photosynthesise, humans learn.

By creating and spreading misinformation you're chipping away at pretty much the only thing that keeps us in existence.

Bit of a broad-strokes extreme takeaway from your comment there, but it got to me.

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[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do they forget that estrogen is also a steroid?

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[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People continue parroting this soy estrogen myth even years after it's been debunked too, it's annoying as hell. The phytoestrogen in question is more of an anti-estrogen and may be protective against excess estrogen.

If soy actually caused boob growth, the supplement industry would be all over that.

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[–] LordMayor@piefed.social 79 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Just to be clear, this is about supplements. It’s doesn’t say anything about differences in dietary protein.

The actual title:

Similar effects between animal-based and plant-based protein blend as complementary dietary protein on muscle adaptations to resistance training: findings from a randomized clinical trial

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

this is about supplements

And supplements are largely unnecessary, so this study says absolutely bupkis.

[–] LordMayor@piefed.social 26 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Right, for the average person, protein supplements are unnecessary as long as they are healthy and eat well.

Athletes (and people with body dysmorphia 😬) might struggle to get enough protein in their diet. But, far too many people think they’re in a position that would warrant supplements when just a little attention to diet is sufficient.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Now let's have a control group with no supplements

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[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (12 children)

There was no control group doing the workouts without protein supplements?

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[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 28 points 1 week ago (32 children)

Also FYI: if you are getting enough calories, you are almost certainly also getting enough protein. The RDA for protein is quite low, 0.8g per kg bodyweight, or about 10% of your caloric intake. You can meet this by eating just grains. However, as mentioned in the linked source, the RDA is intended to prevent nutrient deficiencies, not provide an optimal level of intake.

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[–] miked@piefed.social 25 points 1 week ago (10 children)
[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Oh yeah, I forgot about this. It's going to be tough to do anything about this with the current administration in office.

Also there's arsenic is lots of brown rice. I think the stuff from California or India is pretty safe.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

Plants in general can contain more lead from soil whereas animals will filter it out before you consume their flesh, but the amounts they found were still well below what is recommended for other plant products such as fruit juice. After looking into it when I saw that study it kinda sucks how much lead is still in a lot of things. I'd be curious to see a bigger study comparing the lead found in people that use the plant-based powder or are vegetarian versus meat-eaters.

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[–] semisimian@startrek.website 19 points 1 week ago (8 children)

It doesn't look like they had a control group of people doing the strength training without any protein supplement. I would assume that group would also perform the same.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Study does not say anything about the diet of the subjects. This would make more sense if it was 22 vegan men with plant-protein supplement and 22 carnivore diet men with animal-protein supplement and a control of typical diet with no supplement.

[–] porcoesphino@mander.xyz 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

There are a lot of upvotes here. Why would this make more sense?

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Amino acids are amino acids. Some are harder to get from plants than others.

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (18 children)

I wish more people understood that EVERYTHING is chemistry.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I am slightly surprised that both groups lost a similar amount of fat.

Oh, right, supplements. So similar amount of fat as well. Well, kind of an obvious result and doesn't really say a whole lot about the differences between plant- and protein-based diets.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago (8 children)

There is a very large contingent of people who believe animal protein is superior to plant protein in every way, shape, or form. So this result isn't obvious to them.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Apparently the animal protein has less lead.

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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Might want to look into the levels of lead in their blood.

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[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

which supplements has the highest lead though

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[–] AnitaAmandaHuginskis@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

OK that does not mean that much though because the sample group is way too small to draw some real hard science out of it.

Saying that as a plant protein lover.

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