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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 135 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, but why is this in shitpost, though.

[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 6 days ago (4 children)
[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 39 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I often post there, but this isn't a 'meme'.
Here's the recreation:

Right?

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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (3 children)

We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk's death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.

But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don't know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.

Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago (27 children)

What evidence? So far, none of it says he is a left winger. Everything we do know points to a MAGA family and village of similar idiots with violent tendencies and a gun-loving way of life.

[–] GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago (22 children)

Multiple people who were interviewed said he was getting into leftist politics, he called Charlie Kirk a "fascist". He had a MTF trans girlfriend. These are not typical MAGA traits. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 108 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Missed a detail: any criticism of the scumbag is now considered "celebration" or "justification". We hated him before he died, but now we cannot say that. Because of the Fuhrer at all.

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[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 77 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

Nope, if you talk to anyone on the right currently, everything the administration is doing right now is fine and they have broken no laws.

"Oh the democrats have done much worse." When i ask them what things democrats have done that are close to what republicans do, they always bring up forcing kids to become trans or giving them hormones in school.

People really are that out of touch with reality.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 41 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They are fascists.

Period.

They fit the definition.

They are fascists.

They might be stupid fascists that don't even know it, but that doesn't change that they're fascists.

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 56 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (13 children)

Is this actually true? There's too much disinformation about the shooter, his motivations, his identity, his family, his partner going around that I have no clue what to really believe about him.

(Please, nobody respond to this comment telling me "that's exactly what they want" without providing a credible source for your claims about the shooter. If you do provide sources, then you are welcome to make fun of me for being skeptical.)

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 35 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I will point out one thing that should be obvious, the shooter was only 22. So it's possible he doesn't have a very baked and stable political ideology. I knew a hard core outwardly homophobic conservative at 17 who came out as gay and did theater by 20. I knew a fairly liberal person when she was about 18 that over the years got to a place where she publicly praised Trump and called COVID a hoax and the vaccine a conspiracy. No idea how that happened, even as I saw it first hand.

Given the situation, it is at least clear he was unhinged if he would get to this point, either way. I would have hoped this would be a lesson for people that people get dangerously moved by angry rhetoric, but a lot of folks are ramping up rhetoric instead.

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[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 days ago (10 children)

We don't have confirmation on all of his motives yet; however what we do know about the shooter, his upbringing, lifestyle, etc. is that the poster responding to OP in the image above is largely correct.

There are indeed conflicting accounts that his roommate was trans, or his partner was, or similar. None of that's been verified yet, and even if so, it doesn't explain the shooter's motivations.

What we do know about the shooter is that he largely fits the model of a deeply conservative republican, and that fits with how he was raised, his family, and as his grandmother puts it: "Their family was all MAGA".

Going off that, and a lot of other circumstantial details/evidence, it's clear that he was at one point a deeply MAGA character.

Beyond that or what his current motivations are? We can only extrapolate. Those extrapolations largely lead in the direction that he shot Kirk because Kirk didn't back some of the same extremist beliefs he held. Those beliefs are similar to what Nick Fuentes believes in, which is also why he's currently being labeled a Gyroper.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

According to The Onion, he once had a trans Uber driver so that obviously makes him a leftist.

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[–] napkin2020@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 days ago

Earlier in the briefing, Gray said investigators had spoken to Robinson’s mother, who said her son had, over the last year “become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights-oriented”.

He disclosed that the exchange with the roommate then began to explore a motive.

“Roommate: ‘Why?’ Robinson: ‘Why did I do it?’ Roommate: ‘Yeah."’ Robinson: ‘I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully they have moved on. I haven’t seen anything about them finding it,’” Gray said.

I think the motivation is pretty clear at this point. Not sure how this post got 1k+ likes and no one seem to give credible source.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/charlie-kirk-shooting-prosecutor-utah

[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I wouldn't trust anyone describing his political leanings or motives until court. It's being twisted around and rumors are spreading like wildfire in a vacuum of actual leadership.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 57 points 6 days ago (12 children)

Anyone that's read about the lead-up to WW2 or, well, any historical instance of fascism gaining political control over a country knows that they're going to keep pushing. They're going to keep targeting the left. They're going to ram through executive orders to oppress the left. They're going to get the SC to make decisions against the left. They're going to label nebulous entities like ANTIFA (when's the last time you saw an ANTIFA gathering) as terrorist organizations. They're going to end up openly calling for genocide. It's going to happen.

So I implore everyone to arm themselves and form networks with likeminded people. You do not want to start doing this after it's too late. If you need motivation, start reading up on 1930s Germany (the similarities are undeniable) and follow up with a list of WW2 atrocities. There's definitely a WIKI page for it.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 26 points 5 days ago (5 children)

The number of similarities between modern America and 1930s Germany is shocking.

I believe the assassination of Kirk is highly analogous to the killing of Horst Wessel. Both Wessel and Kirk were far right nationalists who were killed and subsequently hailed as martyrs by their fascist movements.

Hitler brought up Wessel in all of his early speeches. The Nazis wrote songs and bullt statues of Wessel. And today we can already hear the songs about Kirk. Congressmen are passing around a bill to erect a statue of Kirk in the Capitol.

If we continue to follow this timeline closely, we are about 2 years away from our own Reichstag fire moment.

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[–] safesyrup@feddit.org 61 points 6 days ago (29 children)

Do we know about the political views of the suspect? I know he supports guns but that does not make you automatically right wing

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

This is one of the biggest problems with our current state of polarization: we’re quick to box people into a binary; either “red” or “blue,” “left” or “right.”

Real people rarely fit neatly into those categories. When you take the time to actually map out someone’s beliefs, experiences, and values, what you find almost never looks like a solid block of one color. Instead, it’s more like a mosaic: someone might lean conservative on economic issues, progressive on social ones, independent when it comes to foreign policy, and undecided on others.

Reducing all of that complexity down to a single partisan label is not only misleading, it also fuels division. It makes it harder to have real conversations, because instead of engaging with the full person (their reasoning, contradictions, and growth), we engage with a caricature. Recognizing that most people carry a mix of beliefs forces us to slow down, listen, and resist the urge to collapse identities into overly simple categories.

The challenge is that this feels counterintuitive, especially for people who haven’t examined why they hold the views they do. It’s easier, and often more comforting, to inherit an identity or adopt a team than it is to wrestle with contradictions and gray areas. But when we refuse that deeper work, we not only misunderstand others, we also misunderstand ourselves.

In other words, the messiness is the point. People are complicated, and when we acknowledge that, we create more space for dialogue, empathy, and genuine understanding; the very things that binary polarization squeezes out.

Edit:

If you’re interested in seeing how this plays out in practice, the New York Times put together a quiz a few years back that illustrates the point really well:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/08/opinion/republicans-democrats-parties.html

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[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 28 points 6 days ago (4 children)

From what I've heard, he was from a right wing family but there are conflicting reports on whether he himself was right wing

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[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

From what I've pieced together, it's a guy from a MAGA family that was recently radicalized, possibly in college towards left-wingism (possibly via exposure and humanization of trans room mate?). There's not that much evidence to suggest he was a far-righter himself (the groyper claims are literally just "yeah the engravings are a dogwhistle trust me bro" but many libs here are buying it), and now it's just turning into a war of push from both sides being like "no it's not OUR guy it's YOUR guy!".

In other words, it's impossible to tell for certain due to how deliberately muddied the waters are by everyone.

[–] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 30 points 6 days ago

There's equal evidence for the groyper claim as there is for the trans roommate claim, which is to say nothing but hearsay being pushed out by the Governor of Utah.

[–] MattTheProgrammer@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

MAGA was screaming that it was a radical leftist without ANY evidence... They are just looking for an excuse to justify using force against political opponents

[–] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

He went to UVU one semester and then left and went to trade school as an electrical apprentice. I highly doubt he got radicalized at college in Utah. He was already radicalized by his parents and family in the MAGA / Mormon spheres. It takes longer than a semester to deconstruct cult level beliefs like that. There is very little to any evidence that his roommate is trans. It is all hearsay picked up from places like 4-chan then spread to right-wing rags then spread to right wing politicans. A big loooong game of telephone. It isn't even clear he lived there at the time of the shooting. The Daily Mail said he lives with his family in a $600,000 six-bedroom home.

The reason the trans - fan fic is getting spread by right-wingers is that the federal authorities are using it to get jurisdiction from the state since that could make it classify as a hate crime. Even if the roommate is trans that doesn't mean they aren't a right-wing trans person. Trans people can have shitty views just like any other group of people.

It doesn't help that the FBI and news outlets are releasing different info to different news audiences to muddy the waters. Just the meta-data of this being the 3rd trans related storyline being pushed does not inspire confidence in it's veracity. The first TRN one was debunked and retracted, but then they claim the engravings point to trans- ideology when that isn't really apparent. Then they come up with another one. Sorry, not buying right-wingers making shit up to blame it on trans people.

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 53 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Cut the 'deep down they know' bullshit. They have no principles and sincerely believe that it is their opposition, or perceived opposition, that are responsible for all things that go wrong no matter what. No matter how many people Trump fucks over or have their lives completely ruined by him, they will just blame the democrats or transgender people or homosexuals or whoever else. They genuinely cannot see what Trump and his asskissers are doing and the results it is having.

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[–] 58008@lemmy.world 35 points 5 days ago (3 children)

He should not have been shot. The shooter was, like virtually all such people, a narcissistic main character sociopath who only cared about his own fame and notoriety, and was likely spending too much time in the damp and mushroomy corners of the internet instead of developing an actual personality in the real world. He's less an anti-fascist soldier and more a Travis Bickle wannabe wanker.

But Charlie Kirk was a humongous piece of shit and I am glad he's dead. One fewer humongous pieces of shit to have to listen to. I would never advocate the murder of a man like him, and like I said, I think the shooter was a colossal cunt who unleashed way more danger and harm to marginalised groups than Kirk was capable of provoking on his own. But thank fuck he's gone. Silver linings n'all that 🤷‍

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[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Y'all remember when ISIS attacked that theater in Russia and Russia immediately blamed Ukraine despite ISIS openly admitting to it and begging for recognition?

Yeah, this is more of the same from the party of Putin's professional cock holsters.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 14 points 5 days ago (5 children)

As far as I've been able to figure out, the kid was neither right nor left, just fucked in the head.

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[–] DiskCrasher@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (9 children)

They now claim he was "left leaning". It's a war of propaganda.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 26 points 6 days ago (2 children)

All that a German needs to know about this incident is two words:

Reichstag Fire

(EU pls send help 🥺👉👈)

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

“Right wing” still isn’t specific enough, as that also includes democrats.

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