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We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk's death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.
But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don't know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.
Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.
What evidence? So far, none of it says he is a left winger. Everything we do know points to a MAGA family and village of similar idiots with violent tendencies and a gun-loving way of life.
Multiple people who were interviewed said he was getting into leftist politics, he called Charlie Kirk a "fascist". He had a MTF trans girlfriend. These are not typical MAGA traits. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero
Multiple people know him as from a rightwing family, he was photographed in MAGA gear, and plenty of MAGA are secretly gay.
None of what you’ve said is even minutely comparable to the abundance of evidence that says he’s a rightwing abused child from a MAGA family.
He’s also a registered Republic卐n.
cis guy dating a trans woman is not "gay". he may himself identify as queer or bisexual but we don't have to misgender his girlfriend out of a desire to play up his purported right wingedness.
Sorry, my ignorance of LGBTQ does not dilute my point.
However, in my ignorance, I touched on something you didn’t try to refute and I appreciate it: Republicans are quite often in the closet while publicly raging against the thing they secretly embrace.
thats for sure a thing. with regards to the shooter i recommend reading ken klippenstein's piece on him, it does not sound like theres enough evidence to firmly consider him a conservative or a groyper or an anarchist yet. he's weirdly apolitical (aside from executing a bigot for as-yet-vague reasons) and several definitive assertions have been made and later retracted by large media outlets, often citing sources that recanted or hearsay that proved false.
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie
Thanks for the article. I’ll read it now.
EDIT: I’d already read this one. It’s probably more factual than anything mainstream media has done and that’s including those from either side of the political spectrum.
These days they’re all bowing to Trump anyways so who knows what to trust.
yeah its a shitshow
According to you, homosexuality is only about gender, not sex. This isn't right and there is no consensus as far as I know. I would personally say a cis guy dating a trans woman is gay
gender and sex are not the same, for the 100th time
You're the one inventing misgendering here
Attraction isn’t really exclusively based on sex, though. It’s about a whole range of factors, including how someone presents their personality and their physical traits. Many trans women have a lot of traits people find attractive in women generally, so being attracted to a trans woman is consistent with heterosexual attraction.
This means that liking trans women doesn’t automatically mean you’re attracted to men, so calling it gay is an oversimplification of how attraction works.
You could argue that in a strictly biological sense it is homosexual, but that ignores a whole range of social factors, which isn’t really how the term “gay” is colloquially used.
I get it. Calling it hetero would seem like an oversimplification as well though. We need more words!
I get it, but making it solely based on gender isn't a good idea as well I believe. Doesn't seem specific enough. Also, trans women and trans men don't necessarily change physically, right? They can still look like their birth gender, that's what's throwing me off I believe.
After a bit of research, it seems like it aims towards being based on gender and not sex, hmm. I might be wrong on this one?
I believe I might think it's about sex because I wouldn't be interested in a non cisgender person, but that might only be me? I had the feeling that most heterosexual people would not be interested in trans people
doesnt really sound like you're an authority on the topic. the term "gay" applied to someone who identifies as a man means that they are attracted to men, whereas trans women are- and this is true- Women.
assigned gender at birth is irrelevant, regardless of your personal opinion
First of all, you completely missed the main point of my comment. If you think there's no evidence then you shouldn't be claiming one way or the other either, yet this post is presenting him as definitively right wing.
Secondly, I didn't say he is a left winger. I said (based on my judgement) the evidence shows he probably, maybe leans left.
And answering your "what evidence" question, his text message to his roommate is released by the investigation. There are also statement from his mother stating he is "getting more and more left" (obviously, grains of salt). And there are leaked (released?) Discord messages from the killer.
If you never heard any of these, then you probably are in an echo chamber.
I didn’t miss it. I ignored it the same way you so vociferously try to pull this rightwinger away from his rightwing history.
Huh? That wasn't what I was doing at all, you just pulled that accusation out of your ass. You asked me "what evidence", so I answered, I guess that was the wrong thing to do.
So you actively ignore evidence that might be inconvenient to your opinions?
Oh, so a bad faith argument
No. I chose to ignore apologist language. Seems quite unpopular with those using words to annoy instead of communicate.
Which is, indeed, a bad faith argument.
Also, answering their comments is not ignoring.
Ok.
"I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out."
You people are fucking dipshits.
Right. MAGA never go for self-preservation against rightwing retaliation.
Put the pieces together. Aside from what I already said:
-Estranged from right wing family
-Dating a transwoman
-Struggled with gender identity
-Complaining about hatred
None of these things are characteristic of the right.
Balance that against an entire life of rightwing indoctrination. That’s a rightwing kid with mental issues.
I will not concede this bullshit talking point that “the left” did this when we all have eyes.
You are describing probably 80% of liberals. Political opinion is not genetic.
Killing someone for "spreading hate" is not a right wing phenomenon.
Lol. That’s a hell of a stretch. You’re welcome to keep pushing this line while I roll my eyes and ignore it.
what kind/amount of evidence would it take for you to believe that the shooter was either not right wing, or had left wing ideals?
Actual evidence, not hearsay because (checks notes) his MAGA family said he was a leftist.
Why don't the text messages and trans girlfriend count?
Why doesn’t the mountain of evidence he’s a rightwing violent crazy with a gun count instead of this hearsay?
You are applying a totally different burden of proof to ignore the actual text messages he sent to his tranny girlfriend and call them hearsay, but then believe circumstantial evidence about his family somehow dictates who he is.
I am using rightwing logic. Why are you resisting rightwing logic?
EDIT: Don’t assume everyone missed your bigoted language.
Last I checked, the right is not offended by the word tranny, so I'm sure you will agree that the person we are talking about won't mind.
Nice. I liked the part where you took your mask off and showed us you really were a rightwing troll all along.
Now I understand why you think he was right wing, because that is what you are calling anyone who doesn't fall within your narrow definitions of acceptable behavior.
Lmao. Your games have no power here, weird secret-MAGA.
Because I'm not right wing. I am interested in the truth.
Lmao. Uhuh.
Everyone spreads misinformation to further their goals. It's just not so obvious when it's your side doing it. Confirmation bias