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This kind of rhetoric (most of it; Hamas is a resistance organization and much of what they've been accused of has been proven false and Israel is refusing to allow any further independent investigations) is exactly what we've all been saying, and it's Marjorie Taylor Greene saying it?

Have I woken up in an alternate universe? Is the Mandela effect happening?

Literally that first part most especially: trying to explain to people by asking themselves to try putting themselves in the shoes of people from Gaza; it's a sentiment I barely see from pro-Palestinian democrats, but now MTG is saying it? Asking people to think about what it's like if they were going through this?

Also I want to mention, cause it bears mentioning, MTG actually spoke out AGAINST refusing Gazan children to go to America to receive aid.

Seriously, have I woken up in an alternate universe?

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[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 94 points 1 week ago (24 children)

MTG doesn't care about Palestinians, she's grifting because she's a white nationalist who hates Jews (she fails to distinguish between Jews and Zionists). Candace Owens claims to support Palestinians, too, and for the same reason.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 55 points 1 week ago

Also, what she really wants isn’t an end to the imperial death machine, she wants it redirected towards Iran and/or China.

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[–] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 79 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Although I sympathize with many attempts on this site to figure out what these bloodsuckers think, I think most of the time it’s a futile endeavor. MTG is not Henry Kissinger with a well thought out ideology and extremely deliberate goals. She is like most Americans - completely incoherent on the subject of politics.

This is a woman from suburban Atlanta, 4 or so years out of college she is given her father’s contracting company. Then at one point she becomes a CrossFit coach. She not active politically until 2016 when she is at that point like 42 years old. She spends a measly 3 years involved with various far right John Birch style conspiracy initiatives, where she holds such esteemed titles as “Facebook group moderator” and then decides to run for congress.

She’s a great tool of the bourgeoisie but she is hardly the one pulling the levers of power. She has a bunch of extreme far right ideas rattling around in her brain, a whole lot of antisemitism, the typical American veneration of the “entrepreneur,” but none of these things add up to any coherent worldview. She’s merely reacting to the last thing she saw based on whatever contradictory ideas she’s picked up throughout her life that have stuck in her brain like a bee wading through pollen. I’m sure as horrible and racist and antisemitic as she is she still doesn’t view herself as a “bad person.” Maybe some video slipped through the algorithm and she was forced to see what the war in Gaza actually looks like. Sure she wants to glass the place, but she’s still a suburban mom who wants to “save the children.” Or whatever who knows why she came to this decision. But show her some more Israeli propaganda or make up another “Hamas is boiling children alive in cauldrons like medieval witches” lie and then she’ll react to that. I wouldn’t put much stock in this whole thing. All it’s proof of is that Israel is losing support even among the dogs of empire as this genocide goes on, and the great Trump mandate is beginning to falter.

[–] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is the answer.

I could name like 12 women I’ve met personally who are nearly identical to MTG in both ideology and appearance. All of them, if you showed them pictures of children being starved to death and told them “Israel is doing this with American weapons” would say “That’s fucked up someone should stop them”

Marjorie Taylor Greene can best be described as “some white lady” and literally nothing deeper than that. But that places her far to the left of the Democratic Party because the average “some white lady” thinks that killing children is wrong

[–] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’m not sure if I’d characterize her as far to the left of the Democratic Party. This is still the woman who describes herself as a Christian nationalist, doesn’t believe in evolution, has used three percenters as security at campaign events, and believes Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are part of a Muslim invasion of the us.

[–] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sorry, when I said “far to the left of the Democratic Party” I did mean on this issue specifically.

“Killing children is wrong” is far to the left of the Democratic Party’s position on Israel.

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[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even this obscures her role. The above is not a radical statement. As some have pointed out it’s not particularly incompatible with a moderate Zionist position or some two-state solution lib. Further, who knows how she came to her position. As many have pointed out there are plenty of Nazis who oppose Israel and we’re not going to start praising them as leftists.

Also let’s not forget the context of this statement. Support for Israel is slipping, among the public and on both sides of the aisle in congress. MTG, as she hints at in the statement, was after 10/7 supportive of Israel. She censured Tlaib and has stood in extreme opposition to pro-Palestine protests, calling for failing students who are protesting, defunding universities that allow protests to happen and echoing Stephen Miller’s call to deport “Hamas supporters” aka pro-Palestine protesters. But the cracks are now beginning to show across the political spectrum. This statement is weird and surprising coming from her, but it’s a position come to through complete incoherency and contradictory ideas and no reasoning any of us would identify as “left-wing,” it’s not even particularly radical. Meanwhile we know who MTG is. She serves and has only ever served the purposes of the far right. This statement is notable only in offering proof that support for Israel is declining even among its staunchest defenders.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

someone like that outflanking the democrats on the easiest slam-dunk issue ever of "murdering children is bad, actually" just makes democrats look worse.

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[–] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Nah, she's a consistent antisemite. She used to prattle on about Jewish space lasers. So she's an antisemite who hasn't gotten the memo that you're supposed to hate the Jews while also loving Israel

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[–] FishLake@lemmygrad.ml 48 points 1 week ago

Just your friendly reminder that fascists love adopting leftist/socialist aesthetics, which is what they think being anti-genocide is, an aesthetic. They don’t care to dismantle the mechanisms that allow for these genocides to persist (re: capitalism).

[–] Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Republicans continue to outflank Democrats on the left

[–] underisk@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

horseshoe theory is real but its the shape a dem's spine makes from leaning so hard to the right.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Having the far right saying exactly the same thing we're saying using the same language we use will quite successfully turn liberals away from resistance or make them question whether it is actually antisemitism.

I don't actually see it as a good thing. I think there's so many ways zionists can use it to their benefit. Liberal zionists in particular will use it to convince people horseshoe theory is real.

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

It could also be a way of appeasing those actually concerned about genocide but are otherwise republicans. Just keeps them attached to the party to keep voting for them

[–] RobotAnna@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

well yeah its ammunition for conflating anti-zionism with antisemitism, and in the end she's helping the zionists

[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 1 week ago

I don’t give a shit what Marjorie Taylor Greene says. I care even less to speculate about what she secretly believes. She’s a bourgeois politician. They will all say anything and they all believe in nothing. I give a shit what they do. To the extent that she acts to materially impede the genocide of Palestine, it’s an unqualified good regardless of what other evil shit she does, says, or believes.

The idea that people can only ever be all good or all bad and that a good thing becomes a bad thing when it’s said by a bad person is child-brained nonsense.

[–] btbt@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago

This is definitely just slimy ass opportunism, but she hits all the right points to convince gullible people she’s being sincere. Basically, she’s evolved into a life form that’s perfectly suited to thrive in the nuclear wasteland of Capitol Hill

[–] miz@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

Hamas did nothing wrong.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

American politicians should never live down making MTG look like a voice of reason on this. Fucking MTG. thats-why-im-confused

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago

"we should be spending that money to murder brown people here at home"

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

when you analyze these people, you have to understand that they have learned that liberal politics is incredibly effective at making noise and staving off popular dissent. it's the erasure of context. even the fascists are liberals and they'll act like it when it suits them. the fact that she can outflank democrats to the left with this historically nonsensical hog rhetoric is just evidence of the complete and utter necrosis in the democratic party: all the organs are rotting

[–] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

Does Hamas deserve it? No.

[–] ALLHAILHYPNOTOAD@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago

She’ll do anything to stop more Jewish space lasers from being built.

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

She is a fucking Nazi.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Did something tragic happen recently to her personally involving death? Ordinarily republicans seem to only be able to see things through their own eyes.

she paid a visit to Fushun War Criminals' Prison

[–] lil_tank@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

In the end this is just a moderate zionist position

[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Broken clocks, also a misrepresentation of how taxes work. The govt spends the money and gambles to gain it back with taxes.

do not celebrate this person. She's brought up "jewish space lazers" in the past.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

She's brought up "jewish space lazers" in the past.

She's also spouted off Holocaust denial. And not the "The Allies killed 947 billion people at Dresden!" type of denial the misinformed stumble into. It was IIRC "There's no way the Germans could have killed more than a few thousand people because the ovens weren't big enough" type of denial used by neo-nazis.

She later apologized, saying she didn't know it was Holocaust denial/fake news. But never believe the antisemites. She apologized because she got caught. She knows damn well it was Holocaust denial and was using it to pander to her actual, unironically KKK base.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The govt spends the money and gambles to gain it back with taxes.

In the case of the US they really don't mind whether they gain it back or not, since the USD is the global reserve currency the US federal reserve and banks can create as much money as they want and the Global South needs the dollars so much that they'll provide the labor and resources necessary for that money to have value.

Sorry to MMT post but I think it's especially ironic in this context, because it means Global South labor is exploited to produce bombs that kill Global South workers.

[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

Eh, throw enough shit at a wall and some of it is bound to stick.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

Dems getting flanked from the left by an actual antisemite, ha ha, ha.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What next, she gonna be all for trans rights and apologize for the space laser

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