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And from the glowing reviews it's clear that

  1. W11 doesn't actually need a new PC to run and the limitations are completely artificial

  2. For many people, a ten years old PC is fast enough (or even faster than a brand new Intel N100 PC that is officially W11 compatible). They won't even notice that's something from 2015, as long it has a shiny new case, enough RAM and SSD

  3. Amazon doesn't care that the PC comes with pirated software, or that someone is scamming their customers, as long they get their 15% cut from marketplace sales (the cost of a genuine license of W11 pro and office exceeds the price of those ewaste specials)

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[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 24 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Those are newer than the CPU I'm typing this on, they're not waste

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

They dont officially support windows 11 and the avg users are not going to know any better. It's a grey area scam. They're not worth $400 at all.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 22 points 21 hours ago

Those aren't eWaste. Those are Mint machines.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I keep repeating this, my i5 750 (2009 pc), oc at 3.6ghz can do any fucking thing most people do with their computer. With a 1060 gpu, It plays like 90% of the games , I've made pro audio and video projects on it, even a small vr game.

[–] firipu@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (3 children)

Yeah no, calling cap on that.

It'll run most indies and triple A game from 6-7y ago.

It'll be a real bottle neck for recent games. And especially for the only game that truly matters, rimworld.

I am running an n150 on a secondary mini pc. On paper it's twice as fast as your cpu. It drives me crazy how slow it can be at times when running multiple tabs or apps at the same time. You're delusional if you think your cpu is still up to snuff in 2025

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

I think people tend to forget that the vast majority of people don't even play games on their computer. Like when I mention this computer, I always get "Nah, this wont play Elden Ring at 4k 120 fps, just throw it to the garbage". But my parents, sisters, most of my friends dont give a damn about gaming. And this computer is definitely fast enough for all my personal gaming needs.

Another thing, is that gaming streaming services are now super efficient. I could literally play Doom the Dark Age at 1080p on Xbox Game pass with this PC, and I sometimes subscribe to PS+ to play Playstation exclusives.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, same. That was my first major PC build and it hit its threshold. I used the hell out of it for nearly 6 years, but no way it's playing new games with a 1060.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 minutes ago

Has mentioned, I just finished It takes 2 with my nephew. Might subscribe to Gamepass to try Doom The Dark Age. Not everyone needs 4k or competition performance.

[–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Fr. I have an OCd 2500k and it was a bottleneck many years ago. Pre Sandy CPUs.... Not a chance it's not a bottleneck.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Serious question, why haven't you upgraded to an i7 yet? They'd have to be super cheap at this point, right?

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Wasn't a lot of benefits from the i7 back then, the 750 was still quad core, decent specs.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 8 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I mean, it's not my work PC anymore, but this one has been my main entertainment system for years now. I really don't need to upgrade and create e-waste to gain a little bit of performance. I haven't even installed Linux on it yet, still on win 10, but that will make it even faster. It's my firm belief that like 80% of the people would be fine with 15+ years old computers.

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[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

... a ten years old PC is...

... that's something from 2015, ...

Oh my! 2015 was 10 years ago?

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

Aa of July 1st we're closer to 2050 than 2000

Edit: 2020 -> 2000, derp

[–] lambipapp@lemmy.world 12 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Hahah. I think you should double check your sources. As far as I know 5 years is less than 25

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 16 points 23 hours ago

To be fair, the year 2020 was a very long couple of decades.

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[–] DeadPixel@lemmy.zip 6 points 23 hours ago

You sure about that? Maybe you meant 2000 not 2020? Regardless, not sure how to feel about that…

[–] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 40 points 1 day ago

It's Amazon. Of course it's a scam. I always tell elderly people it's a criminal enterprise scamming old people when they ask about it.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This is so wrong

  • Windows 11 requires 8th gen Intel or newer. You can bypass it but you lose official support and more importantly things will break down the line.

  • Those listing are not what I would call "full price"

  • You can buy a old 8th gen Intel system off of eBay for less than 100€

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, those are basically Mini PC prices. The CPU alone used to cost more than that.

The specs look perfectly adequate (I'm still running very similar for daily use), and 1TB SSD and 32GB RAM should keep you going no matter how many tabs you open or how bloated your PC gets.

Personally I'd get a new Ryzen Mini PC for that kind of money just for the form factor, but they're hardly a scam. The main issue is that the crowd this is aimed at have very little use for a PC these days.

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[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 7 points 22 hours ago

Oh nooooo, however will I do the needful without Microsoft's world famous blue ribbon customer support.

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[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Switch to Linux and keep using your current computer. Tell Microsoft to pound sand.

[–] Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I dont think the people buying these even know what linux is.

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[–] rocky1138@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago

Stop purchasing from Amazon

[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you think that 210€ is full price for a pc then you require some research assistance.

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[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 57 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It's not actually eWaste you can buy a TPM chip for it, or ya know Linux.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 54 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

Windows 11 doesn't actually need the tpm. They just check: "oh it's Intel 6th gen, it's trash from the last decade, sorry incompatible ewaste, buy a new one"

Intel 6th gen + tpm chip = still "incompatible"

Their marketing told us the lie "it needs tpm and secure boot" but they actually check if it has introduced to the market after 2018 or not

In those units the scammer patched the install image to install without the check. Who buys this will get a surprise when in the next months the next update comes out and refuse to install (25h1?)

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[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Meanwhile I am waiting to buy a good "unsupported by Windows 11" PC cheap this October.

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[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 2 points 18 hours ago

Thrift stores and pawn shops have some great deals on PC's that will run Linux just fine if you're concerned about Amazon prices and e-waste. If you have a local radio-shack-like mom and pop shop, those are treasure hunts and you're guaranteed to find gold. Encourage folks to go local.

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

Could you explain why you consider these overpriced/scam? If those use new parts and come with warranty, at least the top one, seems fine. Can you do a breakdown of what it should cost?

My Windows PC has i5-6500 in it and I definitely don't consider it e-waste.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 9 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I call it ewaste because it is coming from that. Banks and corporations change computers every 3-5 years because accounting love to lease rather to buy

Those computers go to ewaste centers, then some not honest sellers take the components (that usually were left on 24/7 because in offices nobody bothers to turn off computers) and put them in brand new cases

That's why is a scam, selling old stuff that came from an ewaste center as brand new

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

So keeping it from being actual ewaste it's now going to be used by someone... That seems like a good thing.

The only downside I see is that it isn't disclosed

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

They don't support Windows 11

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