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Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does anyone else feel like technology - specifically consumer tech - kinda peaked over a decade ago? I'm 37, and I remember being awed between like 2011 and 2014 with phones, voice assistants, smart home devices, and what websites were capable of. Now it seems like much of this stuff either hasn't improved all that much, or is straight up worse than it used to be. Am I crazy? Have I just been out of the market for this stuff for too long?

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[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 3 points 21 hours ago

Yes.

Computers are the worst in my opinion, everything is tens to hundreds of times faster by specs and yet it feels as slow as it did in the 90s, I swear.

Network speeds are faster than ever but websites load tons of junk that have nothing to do with the content you're after, and the networks are run by corpos who only care about making money, and when they have no competition and you need their service, why would they invest in making their systems work better?

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 14 points 2 days ago

That was when innovation slowed down and rent-seeking increased, once the big players started exploiting their oiligopolies in earnest.

[–] szczuroarturo@programming.dev 18 points 2 days ago

Not really peaked. More like we entered the era of diminishing returns which btw is great if you are not blinded by the marketing. Mid to low range phones are fairly cheap and more than adequate for almost anything . Do you know how shit even mid range phones were 10+ years ago and how fast they were getting too old to be usable. Right now its more than reasonable to use any smartphone for a 3 to 5 years and probably even longer ( before only champions like samsung Galaxy note 4 could even hope to match that ). Everything you talk about is cheaper and more afforable than ever before( if you do the usual and not buy overpriced brands beacuse of a brand like apple , galaxy phone , roomba robot vacuums etc... ). The only thing thats a shitshow right now are websites and computer prices precisly beacuse right now the current hype is LLM( which makes graphic cards really f expensive and kinda hits website by ricoshet due to the negative LLM influence ).

Actually even as smartphones go there is a progress. Folding phones. Coincidently they are less relaiable and not as long lived . Exatcly as smartphones were 10 years ago.

Also smartphones were something much grander than a simple tech innovation. They were truly a society changing innovation like cars, trains , planes or a computer. They just peaked much faster than cars , trains or planes. In fact they probably had bigger impact on society than computers.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 14 points 2 days ago

I've been saying this for a while, and have estimated a similar 10-year time frame.

Most new tech (except for medical advancements) doesn't really benefit the average person. Instead, it just gives corporations and governments more data, more control, and the ability to squeeze more money out of us. They don't represent actual improvements to society as a whole or to individual users.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Did they have this tech 10 years ago?

I rest my case

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

The device called novint falcon, you might find it in eBay. You can get other haptic devices but usually the price range is higher.

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[–] Preflight_Tomato@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago

I just had to book a flight.

Frontier forces you to download an app now to check in (there is a well hidden option to do it on web, but the page never loads on laptop nor mobile in multiple browsers).

I tried to rent a parking spot, and 2/4 places would not load quotes at all (again web and mobile and multiple browsers). I probably would've used one of the two that didn't load if their sites had worked. Their loss I guess.

I’d just like it to not feel like each interaction I have with technology, and I guess by extension the world, is becoming increasingly adversarial. The tech itself seems to keep getting better though.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

Technology? No.

Consumer Electronics? Yes. Or at least there's a debatable transition and cutoff point.

[–] QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world 246 points 4 days ago (10 children)

To quote one of my favorite authors:


“I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.”


― Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt: Hitchhiking the Galaxy One Last Time

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 59 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but Facebook was invented when I was a teen and I knew pretty quickly that shit was evil.

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Yes you are correct, it's worse now. At first it was creative, innovative products that made things more convenient or fun, or at least didn't harm its users. Now all the new things are made by immature egotistical billionaire techbros: generative AI which has ruined the internet by polluting it with so much shit you can't get real information any more, not to mention using up all our power and water resources, the enshittification of Web 2.0, Web 3.0 that was pure shit from the get-go, IOT "smart" appliances like TVs, doorbells, thermostats, refrigerators that spy on you and your neighbors, shit "self-driving" killer cars that shouldn't be allowed on the roads, whatever the hell that new VR Metaverse shit is, ads, ads, ads, ads, and on and on. It's a tech dystopia.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I work in VR and AR. I traveled to a conference this week to showcase demos of my work.

I have in my backpack a headset that’s costing few hundred bucks and can spawn in front if your eyes 3D models you can directly manipulate with your hands or a pen.

It just works.

I even use it offline while flying.

This didn’t exist 10years ago. It’s amazing.

[–] Rednax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

It always amazes me how much professional uses VR/AR has, and what kind of stuff has been created for it by all sorts of industries. Some see it as a failure because the consumer variants have not seen revolutionairy improvements over the past years, but the industry around it is quickly growing. So many companies use it, that the technology doesn't need games to survive.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

This is industrialism. All tech does this. You may have also had some rose colored glasses about business.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

Technology is still evolving at break neck speed. On the other hand, companies are degrading/restricting these new techs to make more money.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I'm roughly the same age as you and I feel the same. In my adolescence and 20s it felt like some new, life-changing gadget was coming out almost every year. Now I feel like there's been incremental changes at best.

I mean I kept the same gaming PC for a decade before building another. The new one runs the exact same games; the only difference is that I can run them at 4K ultra now instead of 1080p medium. Games look better but it's a subtle improvement at best. Not the major leaps in graphical performance I was seeing every 5 years back in the 90s.

Same goes for phones. 10 years ago they were black slabs running Android or iOS, and today they are the same. Very consistent, unlike the constantly evolving and various designs of the 90s and 2000s.

Other than going electric, cars haven't changed much, either. 20-year-old cars that were well-maintained still look new to me, and can be easily modernized with things like aftermarket parking sensors and stereos with Android Auto.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Other than going electric, cars haven’t changed much, either. 20-year-old cars that were well-maintained still look new to me, and can be easily modernized with things like aftermarket parking sensors and stereos with Android Auto.

Personally I just really love the fact that there are some easily affordable cars that in my very subjective opinion look nearly timeless. Easily affordable only because I live in Europe and do my own repairs: Mostly they are 15-20 year old German cars that WILL bankrupt you if give them the chance. W211 Benz and E60/61 BMW come to mind. W221 too, but I'm a bit scared of that one.

I was going to name some Japanese cars too, but I just realized that those are no longer affordable. God damn Fast and Furious movies lol

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 124 points 4 days ago (9 children)

I think new tech is still great, I think the issue is the business around that tech has gotten worse in the past decade

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 60 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

Agree. 15+ years ago tech was developed for the tech itself, and it was simply ran as a service, usually for profit.

Now there's too much corporate pressure on monetizing every single aspect, so the tech ends up being bogged down with privacy violations, cookie banners, AI training, and pretty much anything else that gives the owner one extra anual cent per user.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Aka “enshittification”

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Feature per dollar possibly yes. Technology itself not necessarily.

The issue is the market was much more competitive 10+ years ago which led to rapid innovation and the need for rivals to keep up.

Today that no longer exists in so many areas so a lot of existing tech has stagnated heavily.

For example, Google Maps was a very solid platform in 2014 bringing in a ton of new navigation features and map generation tech.

Today, the most solid consumer map nav is probably Tesla's map which utilizes Valhalla, a very powerful open source routing engine, that's also used on openstreetmap and OSMAnd.

This is a very huge improvement from 2014 Google Maps.

Except the most used map app is still essentially 2014 Google Maps because Google cornered the market so they no longer have any need to innovate or keep up. In fact it's actually worse since they keep removing or breaking features every update in an attempt to lower their cloud running costs.

You can apply this to a lot of tech markets. Android is so heavily owned by Google, no one can make a true competitor OS. Nintendo no longer needs to add big handheld features because the PSP no longer exists. Smart home devices run like total junk because everyone just plugs it into the same cloud backend to sell hardware. The de facto way to order things online is Amazon. Amazon is capable of shipping within a week, but chooses not to for free shipping to entice you into buying prime, and because they don't have a significant competitor. Every PC sold is still spyware windows because every OEM gets deals with Microsoft to sell their OS package.

Even though the hardware always improves, the final OEM can screw it all up by simply delivering an underwhelming product in a market they basically own, and people will buy because there is no other choice or competition to compare to.

[–] aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Steam deck: am I a joke to you

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I actually hope Steam Deck's success does force Nintendo to take them seriously, but at the moment their market share is much less overlapped because the Deck primarily offers PC games, even though Switch emulation is possible too.

Also the $400 entry model price would sound even more appealing if the Switch 2 comes put with a similar price. At that point Steam Deck is a steal lol.

[–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

3M Steam Deck users vs 100M+ Switch users: Yes.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 84 points 4 days ago (7 children)

There was a lot of pioneering in the 70's. The first home computers, the first video games, the first mobile phones, all right there in the late 70's. Most people ended the 70's living like they did in the 60's but now there's cool shit like the Speak n' Spell. The average American home in 1979 had no microwave oven, a landline telephone and a TV that might have even been color. There were some nerds who had TRS-80s, some of them even had a modem so they could 300 baud each other. Normies saw none of this.

There was a lot of invention in the 80's. Home computer systems, video games etc. as we now commonly know them crystalized in the 80's. We emerged from the 80's with Nintendo as the dominant video game console platform, Motorola as basically the only name in cellular telephones and with x86 PCs running Microsoft operating systems as the dominant computing platform with Apple in a distant but solid second place. Video games were common, home computers weren't that out there, people still had land lines, and maybe cable TV or especially if you were out in the sticks you might have one of those giant satellite dishes. If you were a bit of an enthusiast you might have a modem to dial BBSes and that kind of stuff, but basically no one has an email address.

There was a lot of evolution in the 90's. With the possible exception of the world wide web which was switched on in August of '91, there weren't a lot of changes to how computing worked throughout the decade. Compare an IBM PS/2 from 1989 with a Compaq Presario from 1999. 3 1/4" floppy disk, CRT monitor attached via VGA, serial and parallel ports, keyboard and mouse attached via PS2 ports, Intel architecture with Microsoft operating system...it's the same machine 10 years later. The newer machine runs orders of magnitude faster, has orders of magnitude more RAM etc. but it still broadly speaking fills the same role in the user's life. An N64 is exactly what you'd expect the NES to look like after a decade. Cell phones have gotten sleeker and more available but it's still mostly a telephone that places telephone calls, it's the same machine Michael Douglas had in that one movie but now no longer a 2 pound brick. Bring a tech savvy teen from 1989 to 1999 and it won't take long to explain everything to him. The World Wide Web exists now, but a lot of retailers haven't embraced the online marketplace, the dotcom bubble bursts, it's not quite got the permanent grip on life yet.

There was a lot of revolution in the 2000's. Higher speed internet that allow for audio and video streaming, mp3 players and the upheaval those caused, the proliferation of digital cameras, the rise of social media. When I graduated high school in 2005, there were no iPhones, no Facebook, no Twitter, no Youtube. Google was a search engine that was gaining ground against Yahoo. The world was a vastly different place by the time I was through college. Take that savvy teen from 1989 and his counterpart from 1999 and explain to them how things work in 2009. It'll take a lot longer. In 2009 we had a lot of technology that had a lot of potential, and we were just starting to realize that potential. It was easy to see a bright future.

There was a lot of stagnation in the 2010's. We started the decade with smart phones and social media, and we ended the decade with smart phones and social media. Performance numbers for machines kept going up but you kinda don't notice; you buy a new phone and it's so much faster and more responsive, 4 years later it barely loads web pages and takes forever to launch an app because mobile apps are gaseous, they expand to take up their system. A lot of handset manufacturers have given up so now there are fewer options, and they've converged to basically one form factor. Distinguishing features are gone, things we used to be able to do aren't there anymore. The excitement wore off, this is how we do things now, and now everyone is here. Mobile app stores are full of phishing software, you're probably better advised to just use the mobile browser if you can, mainstream video gaming is now just skinner boxes, and by the end of the decade social media is all about propaganda silos and/or attention draining engagement slop.

Now we arrive in the 2020's where we find a lot of sinisterization. A lot of the tech world is becoming blatantly, nakedly evil. In truth this began in the 2010's, it's older than 4 years, but we're days away from the halfway point of the decade and it's becoming difficult to see the behavior of tech and media companies as driven only by greed, some of this can only come from a deep seated hatred of your fellow man. People have latched onto the term "enshittification" because it's got the word shit in it and that's hilarious, but...I see a spectrum with the stagnation of the teens represented with a green color and the sinisterization of the 20's represented with red, and the part in the middle where red and green make brown is enshittification.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

From an old geek; spot on.

Feels the same with lot of other tech too: space voyage, cars & motorcycles, robots, most are just like last year with some small cosmetic change or 7% more of this or that.

Sure, things are getting better but it doesn't feel like it does any more.

Edit: hey, Lemmy & the decentralised fediverse is quite cool new tech.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

Facebook's AR glass prototype is fire. It's too expensive to release to the public but in a few years...

Tech in general isn't accelerating as fast. Drives aren't twice as big every year at half the price. Processors aren't twice as fast. 2024 stuff is still better than 2021 stuff, but it's not twice as good. A few things have take a couple steps backward as they try to wrangle AI data capture into our lives. Up until recently, we've been able to scale thing down, so the same thing, only smaller and faster, but we're hitting the limit of that, which is why people are latching on to ML to distract us from the fact that our gaming system from 6 years ago is still fine.

[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago

In my opinion as an engineer, methods like the VDI2206, VDI2221 or ISO9000 have done irreparable damage to human creativity. Yes, those methods work to generate profitable products, but by methodizing the creative process you have essentially created an echo chamber of ideas. Even if creativity is strongly encouraged by those methods in the early stages of development, the reality often looks different. A new idea brings new risks, a proven idea often brings calculable profits.
In addition to that, thanks to the chinese, product life cycles have gotten incredibly short, meaning, that to generate a constant revenue stream, a new product must have finished development while the previous one hasn't even reached it's peak potential. As a consequence, new products have only marginal improvements because there is no time for R&D to discover bigger progressive technologies between generations. Furthermore the the previous generation is usually sold along side the next one, therefore a new product can not be so advanced as to make the previous one completely obsolete.

If you really want to see this with your own eyes, get a bunch of old cassette players from the 90s from different manufacturers. If you take them apart you can easily see how different the approaches where to solve similar problems back in the day.

[–] Shelbyeileen@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Tech is better, but content is worse. I have a smart TV from 2014 that I'm gonna use until it's dead. When a new technology comes out, it's all about gaining market trust, so the product is built to last and has cool features (generally) without the ads and data theft. My TV doesn't play ads, but still has all the tech I need. Anything it can't do, my PS4 can.

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[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

No, I prefer my 2020 phone over my 2014 one... But maybe that is not entirely what you want to mean in your post.

You don't need to upgrade your "tech" yearly though.

[–] Saltarello@lemmy.world 45 points 4 days ago

Tech has definitely become worse since megacorps killed the little guys & sucked the fun out of everything. Open source & self hosting is becoming/has become the only way. So glad I taught myself how to do it

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Virt-a-Mate, in case anyone is wondering about adult VR apps.

[–] StayDoomed@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (8 children)

I feel like smartphones + internet peaked about 10 years ago and has now steadily become enshittified. I have never used "google assistant" because it takes less time to just type something in to my phone or tap the setup for my alarm.

So yes, definitely feel that way. Consumer tech had less bullshit masking as improvements ten years ago.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 18 points 3 days ago (4 children)

What? No. lol. Tech is still improving. You're just thinking of the bad new stuff and good old stuff. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. Phone's batteries and resolutions are much better than they were in 2014. Voice assistants never really took off. Smart home stuff is maaaaybe a little better now but there are also a shit ton more brands now and most are crap. But that also means cheaper and more widespread.

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 50 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

It all went downhill when the expectation of an always-on internet connection became the norm. That gave us:

  • "Smart" appliances that have no business being connected to the internet
  • "Smart" TVs that turned into billboards we pay to have in our homes
  • Subscription everything as a service
  • Massive zero-day patches for all manner of software / video games (remember when software companies had to actually release finished/working software? Pepperidge Farm remembers)
  • Planned obsolescence and e-waste on steroids where devices only work with a cloud connection to the manufacturer's servers or as long as the manufacturer is in business to keep a required app up to date
  • Every piece of software seemingly sucking up all the data it can about you and feeding it back to the mothership so you can be profiled and sold to advertisers
  • Pretty much everything Apple does is designed to further lock you into their ecosystem and/or remove a port that's standard in order to pocket the savings and sell you a dongle for $29.99
  • Dwindling / disappearing availability of physical media you effectively own forever in favor of digital libraries that you only have a flimsy license to access at the company's whim (even though you "bought" the title for the same price it would have cost on physical media). Those have been ruled non-transferable (e.g. if you want to leave them to someone in your will) and the company going under leaves you with no rights or ability to get a refund or physical copy of things you supposedly bought but can no longer access.

Other than hardware getting more powerful and sometimes less expensive, every recent innovation has been used against us to take away the right to own, repair, and have any control over the tech we supposedly own.

Edits: I keep thinking of more things that annoy me lol.

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[–] Gemini24601@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

In my opinion, technology keeps improving, however that doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s getting better. I think innovation in technology peaked from the 2000s to the early 2010s, after this period however, it has continually become more and more “enshitified,” meaning that features no one wanted suddenly being added. For example, “ai coffee maker” (this is real), like who asked for this? Not to mention, not only is everything more bloated, but levels of privacy have decreased significantly; every aspect of your digital life is capitalized on for advertising. The early 2010s were simpler times.

[–] M33@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I somewhat agree: tech peaked just when it was high end and absolutely not relying on manufacturer's cloud / subscription / customer portal enrollment ... 😓

[–] 01011@monero.town 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

You're not crazy. I feel that even when the tech is slightly better the trade offs make the overall deal worse.

More RAM but it's soldered in on laptops. More storage on phones but no micro sd slot. No headphone jacks, the overall obsession with inferior wireless audio. Streaming services suck for anything that is not a live event and I think eventually more people will realize that. Especially as they keep hiking prices. Clearnet internet has been destroyed. The gaming industry is a joke nowadays, charging full price to play betas.

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