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Cooking with any plastic is a dubious enterprise, because heat encourages potentially harmful plastic compounds to migrate out of the polymers and potentially into the food. But, as Andrew Turner, a biochemist at the University of Plymouth recently told me, black plastic is particularly crucial to avoid.

In 2018, Turner published one of the earliest papers positing that black plastic products were likely regularly being made from recycled electronic waste. The clue was the plastic’s concerning levels of flame retardants. In some cases, the mix of chemicals matched the profile of those commonly found in computer and television housing, many of which are treated with flame retardants to prevent them from catching fire.

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[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 97 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

flame removedants

facepalm. Censorship absurdity.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 84 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

That is your instance doing a shitty job of filtering.

[–] N4CHEM@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Whaaaaat the fuck?

I had no fucking idea of this. I've been seen "removed" used more and more on the last months and I just thought people speak weird online nowadays.

My lemmy.lm instance has been censoring content that I see without me knowing it?

Fuck this shit, I'm going to look for another instance right now. One that treats me like an adult who wants to see what other people type so I can decide MYSELF if someone is an asshole for using certain language

[–] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah it’s stupid

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[–] JohnWorks@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's probably your instance. It shows up normally for me.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Like when I type ******* it just shows up as stars to you, but I see my password?

[–] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 weeks ago
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[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 40 points 3 weeks ago
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Part of the reason why I reject "retard" as an "ablest slur" you're just outright not allowed to say. When we don't censor idiot, stupid, moron, etc. I'm going to live to se the term "intellectually alternative" become unspeakable.

One of my favorites of these was "salsmurfer." On a multitool collector forum, the autocensor was set to replace bad words with "smurf." So there was a lot of "What the smurf was Gerber thinking?" One of the banned words was "twat." Something that multitool users are often concerned about is whether an expensive steel tool will survive service in maritime environments or indeed when used while diving in the ocean. An English teacher will tell you that "salt water" is two words, but what do they know?

"Will a skeletool rust if exposed to salsmurfer?"

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[–] andyburke@fedia.io 71 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Plastic and food shouldn't mix.

We fucked up real bad. Gonna be a long road to fix this shit.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The new thing is PFAS in the food chain. We're fucking it up faster than we're fixing it. Almost like profit motivation was a bad idea.

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[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Food and two different metals at once (that also touch each other) shouldn't either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyrj-CYC5I8

Basically, electrochemistry happens and the metal breaks down, seeping into the food. This is problematic for aluminum.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 23 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

metal is best shit we got, mate.

stainless steel is OG all purpose.

cast iron is best for some use cases.

enabled cast iron is niche for the more elite chef.

anything is else is trash but willing to hear suggestions.

EDIT: other brought up other strong choices to support the above, glass, ceramics, and food utensils.

Between all of these normal products, you don't need plastic.

My only issue is storage containers, plastic is so easy and you got so much of it. But got to cut that too.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Clay pots or bust, maybe the occasional meat on a stick

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Science Luddism x Cottagecore I love it

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How about wooden spatulas and glass jars?

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[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Food should never touch anything artificial. If it hasn't been levitating since the day it was hand harvested from old growth forest, it's basically pure poison.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 8 points 3 weeks ago

I yeet my food so high it stays in the air/orbit just long enough before I plan to eat it. Sometimes, it hits wild geese on the way up and they get cooked during reentry.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is very specific since he even build up a little rice tower pressing up against the foil.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Well, you need wet food, metal and another metal all touching each other for this to happen. I've seen my sister make the mistake IRL so it certainly does.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I had this happen when I made a tomato-based dish in a cast iron pan, covered it with foil, and then stored it in the fridge. The aluminum was electroplated to the top of the food, and the pan had iron pits in the bottom.

Yes, I know I was bad for doing that to a cast iron pan. I was young and foolish.

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[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Also, if you have a cast iron pan that is extremely rusted, get a brass bristle drill attachment and blast all the rust off with it.

After you have finished that and cleaned it, season it like the other poster mentioned and it will be as smooth as almost any Teflon you've ever used.

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Geez, I hope people aren’t out there using rusted cast iron. That’s beyond ignorant.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 21 points 3 weeks ago

I have found cast iron pans in the trash that were trashed because they were Rusty. Cleaning them, de-rusting them, and reseasoning them was enough to put them back into service and they are some of my favorite cast iron.

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 weeks ago

I’m ignorant. Tell me what’s the problem with rust? I thought iron oxide is a fairly stable compound.

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[–] cabbage@piefed.social 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

Do yourself a favour and start using proper cast iron or stainless steel frying pans as well. You gotta learn how to use them, but it's a whole different level. I'm never going back to non-stick.

To get started with a new pan:

  1. Pour a bit of oil in it
  2. Dry it ALL up with a paper towel
  3. Heat up to high temperature, let cool.
  4. Repeat three times or so. This creates a coating of hardened oil.

~~Never, ever, wash with soap. If you do by accident, repeat the above process to coat the pan again.~~ (just don't scrub too violently with soap - I'm being outdated with my advice here)

When cooking:

  1. Heat up pan
  2. Add oil
  3. Add things into pan only when hot
  4. Use water or wine to deglaze when things get a little stuck. That's where you get deliciousness from - it's a feature, not a bug.

I use an old cast iron that's a bit rugged in the bottom for pancakes. It's the most amazing thing ever. I found it in the trash one day. The cast iron allows me to use a steel spatula when it needs to be thin, otherwise I use wood.

[–] almar_quigley@lemmy.world 53 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

You can wash these pans with soap, you just shouldn’t abrade them. Soap isn’t going to remove the molecular bonding unless you’re scrubbing the hell out of it.

Also, Teflon’s a no go but I was under the impression ceramic is ok. Is anything wrong with that coating for cooking?

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Ceramic loses its' non-stick properties quite fast, cause the coating gets micro-cracked.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm on year four of using a ceramic pan to cook scrambled eggs in butter at least 4 days a week and it is still pretty slick.

Is it other foods like acidic tomato sauces that mess with the coating?

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[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A new cast iron pan should be washed with soap and water. They’re usually coated with something you don’t want to be eating to keep them from rusting from the factory to your home. You scrub that off and then season it.

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[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I wash my cast iron with dish soap after every use and I can still slide eggs around in the pan. Definitely agree, though. I only have 1 non-stick pan that I almost never use. Stainless steel and cast iron are really the only 2 types that you need

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[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yay for being overly cautious after the BPA thing and deciding to avoid plastic as much as possible and strictly avoiding it when dealing with high heat.

Though I still wonder about the chemicals used to treat/seal wooden utensils.

It is kinda funny coming back full circle, because as a kid I thought the wooden spoons we had were relics of the past and preferred the smooth plastic ones.

Now I prefer the wooden ones, stains, cracks, and all. Just limit how long you soak them for when doing dishes.

On that note, I've found that most dishes only need to soak for a minute or less before they are easier to clean. And if you rinse them before anything dries, you probably won't even need to soak at all.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

You can apply food-grade mineral oil aka cutting board oil to your wooden implements and that will help keep them from drying out and cracking. Also works on cutting boards, of course.

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[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Do they make wooden thin spatulas?

[–] uienia@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

No, but they do make them in metal.

[–] LoganNineFingers@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Would silicone be a safe alternative?

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[–] BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

This destroys my ceramic coated pans sadly. I have wood utensils except for a couple plastic spatulas specifically for flipping eggs because the wood ones aren't thin enough to not destroy them.

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[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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