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New German research shows EVs break down at less than half the rate of combustion engine cars. (www.adac.de)

submitted 7 months ago by Lugh to c/futurology

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[–] Shareni@programming.dev 38 points 7 months ago (4 children)

in the currently evaluated year 2023 the battery accounts for 44.1 percent of breakdowns
3-10 year old combustion cars vs electric cars only having enough registered models to start observing their reliability in 2021

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 40 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm very excited by the prospect of aftermarket batteries with better technology. This doesn't get discussed super often, but as an owner of a gen 1 leaf with an aging battery, I've very excited by this.

To sum up the premise: volts are volts and watts are watts. So long as can get something with a comparable battery controller into the right size and shape and space, its basically arbitrary what technology is making the angry pixies go from - to +.

This opens the door for range improvements to much older EV's.

[–] ArumiOrnaught@kbin.social 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

volts are volts and watts are watts

If you tell me this while I work on electrical problem on these vehicles I'll shit yourself.

My shop spent a month yelling at our parts because they said "the alternator has the same electrical requirement. Why wouldn't it work?" We put it in, and it didn't work. Wow crazy! Did you know signals are just pulses. These shit ass companies can make it so if you use anything but proprietary garbage it just won't work.

I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at Ford once again being your typical company.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I’m sure it won’t be long before someone figures a way to hack through that

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If they can do it for john deer they can do it with cars. Give em time.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

Give ‘em hell!

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 2 points 7 months ago

They already have third-party batteries for ebikes as well as battery repacking services for proprietary batteries.

Hopefully, such services come for cars, assuming we get comprehensive R2R for cars and bikes.

Some ebikes have proprietary stuff like proprietary motors, spokes, and batteries.

[–] ceiphas@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

they explicitly only compared cars of the same ages, so only 3-4 years for both EV and gas powered

[–] Shareni@programming.dev 10 points 7 months ago

A total of 156 vehicle series from around 20 car brands were evaluated in the current breakdown statistics. All breakdowns during 2023 that affected vehicles between three and ten years old (first registered from 2014 to 2021) were taken into account. In order to be used statistically, the series must have at least 7,000 registrations in two years . If this requirement is met, all vehicle model years with at least 5,000 registrations will be displayed.

[–] Starfighter@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

For context they seem to be specifically referencing the 12V "starter" battery not the HV battery used for the traction drive in EVs with that 44.1% figure. Additionally this figure seems to include all vehicles in the statistic, so some part of that is contributed by ICE vehicles.

[–] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Every single time my ICE car broke down, it was the 12V battery.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Comments like yours are why I'm trained to not bother reading the articles.