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Swedish Company Klarna is replacing 700 human employees with OpenAI's bots and says all its metrics show the bots perform better with customers. (www.euronews.com)

submitted 8 months ago by Lugh to c/futurology

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Caring about jobs is kind of silly. If there were no jobs there would be no customers. That's not how the market works. Someone is always going to try to sell something and they need people to support them.

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If there were no jobs there would be no customers. That's not how the market works.

That's true, but if robots are cheaper than humans, no company would employ humans for the sole purpose of being customers. That's not how companies work. Any company which does so will quickly lose to a competitor which doesn't.

The societal support (e.g. UBI) necessary for this upcoming transition will need to come from governments, not companies.

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The point is if there are no workers for anything, there will be no income for anything, and nobody will have money to give to producers.

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

True, but society will encounter major issues long before employment hits zero.

If UBI programs are implemented, this would provide money for people to give to the producers, despite a shrinking working population due to automation.

[–] Endward23 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That’s true, but if robots are cheaper than humans, no company would employ humans for the sole purpose of being customers. That’s not how companies work. Any company which does so will quickly lose to a competitor which doesn’t.

Thats just half true. You overlook cases like bureaucracy or neptonism, when people help others into companies.

It would be esay for the US gouverment to force companies to hire persons, even for silly activities like "machine observing". You just need to make a Act of Congress which requieres something that needs a human. Doesn't matter. The cooperations would make an effort to hire really humans, in order to prevent a lawsuid. The courts would just say, "okay, this is the federal law, any cooperation which makes a trade between the States needs to follow it". Some applies for the EU, China, Japan etc.

Is this less efficient than a AI based system? Sure. They will make some exaptions.

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It would be esay for the US gouverment to force companies to hire persons, even for silly activities like "machine observing". You just need to make a Act of Congress which requieres something that needs a human.

This just sounds like UBI with extra steps, and not very universal, as there won't be as many "machine observing" jobs as there were jobs which the machine replaced.

Why not free up the newly unemployable portion of the population to pursue their passions and enjoy life, rather than mandating the existence of silly jobs for the sake of jobs?

[–] Endward23 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This just sounds like UBI with extra steps, and not very universal, as there won’t be as many “machine observing” jobs as there were jobs which the machine replaced.

You can make more and more bureaucracy. Someone must traine the machine observer, someone supervise them etc. There are no limits for the imagination.

Why not free up the newly unemployable portion of the population to pursue their passions and enjoy life, rather than mandating the existence of silly jobs for the sake of jobs?

I think it would be a problem with inflation and so on.