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I’ve been telling people for years that if they don’t like YouTube to stop using it- and I get downvoted into oblivion.
I’ll never understand internet culture.
Entire threads dedicated to how shitty a thing is, and when someone says- “hey, not using it is an option” they get met with vitriol and abuse. .
You're not wrong, though if I didn't like the people running the local library, where else do I go for book lending?
Ideally, video creators would just host on their own website (remember those) and maybe let viewers pipe the video through a frontend of their choosing. That's a big leap to ask of your audience though, and even bigger for a non technical creator.
I've seen some of them using Patreon to share videos with paying fans, sometimes exclusively, but with YouTube having the larger slice of the audience pie, they continue to upload to the platform.
When I think about why people might meet you with vitriol for proposing they stop using YouTube, it may be that they interpret that suggestion as you telling them not to watch the creators they enjoy. Bit of a logical fallacy there, but an appreciable one given YouTube's monopoly on small scale video content.
At least with physical books, for example, you can just take them home to read and no one will randomly yank them away from you, unlike both YT and also DRM-ridden e-book stores like Kindle.
Hell, if you straight-up buy physical books, they're yours to do as you please with.
Also...
Ideally, video creators would just host on their own website (remember those) and maybe let viewers pipe the video through a frontend of their choosing.
The library analogy may not be prefect but I figured my point was clear in that you're allowed to look through all the books for free despite not owning them, and the librarians can remove any book at any time for any reason.
Just because there aren’t alternatives, isn’t really an excuse to endure abuse.
It's not an excuse, but it is a reason. It's not like YouTube is required for living.
Should people living in an area served by only one electricity provider disconnect their service and just go without if the company pulls an abusive maneuver?
Most people don't even consider alternatives to the status quo. For the few that do consider pros and cons of YouTube, the pros of the platform are winning. So long as that's where the creators are posting videos, YouTube is in a position to keep winning.
I love it, the people who moved away from reddit to something nobody used always have such a hard time with the idea of using peertube. I get it, not everyone can host one for various reasons, so what then? let's just give up I guess and let Google win? Every time I see a peertube post the comments are flooded with people that just wanna be negative and say there is no solution. If you really can't in any possible way host or use someone else's peertube then that's not your fault. But stop complaining about YouTube if you won't even entertain the true self hostable alternatives.
The issue is that video creation is a lot more labor intensive and YouTube does two things for creators that PeerTube doesn't. First, the algorithm builds an audience. Cutting out YouTube or another video social media site is going to make audience creation a lot harder. Second, ad revenue from social media sites are greater than zero. It may not be a lot of money, but it is something.
On the flip side, there is nothing inherent to PeerTube or similar platforms which will filter AI slop.
5 million views = $5
Odysee is not decent in any way, unless you're comfortable hanging out in a Nazi bar
Not in defense of LBRY/Odysee but it's difficult for any unmoderated platform to be not overrun by nazis these days.
LBRY started with a decent premise but their monetization idea was based on cryptocurrency, so it was doomed from the beginning.
On distributed/federated platforms the best we can do is to de-federate from such instances.
they knew it was gonna turn into a cesspool, they just abdicated responsibility by playing the free speech card. ironically kinda like YouTube does with anti-trans stuff and Zionist media
I disagree with the applicability of that metaphor to infrastructure entirely. It's not a community you're participating in, it's a tool. Abandoning that tool to the worst of us to prove you're not one of them is self defeating.
even if I agreed with your unhinged rant, a bad tool is a bad tool. how come PeerTube manages to run without burning the Amazon rainforest in the process to keep some blockchain bubble going? or without refusing to moderate nazis?
Have u seen my hinge???
This post is peak Lemmy. Someone who made a video years ago and posted it to YouTube isn't going to randomly start self hosting that video on some platform nobody they know in person has ever heard about. I doubt even professional content creators have that amount of time and energy.
I get that this is a fairly tech savvy crowd, but seriously?
The most frustrating this is that I wasn't going to, but now I might, just out of spite.
Also, it's overtly stupid advice to "move" anywhere. You can re-upload the same thing in multiple places if you want to, there isn't only one copy, lol.
Bottom line is, creators will stay/go where the audience is. There is no place that is even close to 1% of the size of YouTube, for that type of content.
Don't have to self-host, there are plenty of public instances one could sign up for, I picked peertube.wtf, but you have MakerTube if you're an art or craft-focused creator, for example, or even CuddlyTube among other public instances.
Self-hosting is ideal if you have the spare hardware, but you can still post to public instances if you don't.
Self-hosting is ideal if you have the spare hardware, but you can still post to public instances if you don’t.
Posting where there is actually an audience is most ideal.
Obviously thats true to a extent but its not like content never drives an audience. If audiences never moved we'd all still be on MySpace and Digg.
Facebook targeted an exclusive desirable user base before opening to everyone. Facebook also made key content decisions to bring in users while Myspace languished.
Reddit staff posted a lot of content to make their site seem more alive. Even then, it took a poorly received Digg update to get people to move.
You just spelled out the solution. Youtube is already making decisions people dont like; so if creators were to create content exclusive to an up and coming platform, then some of [thr audience] would switch and it would cascade over time. There is no instantaneous solution to these things. Just little decisions that lead us where we want to go.
we already have systems like patreon and buymeacoffee to self regulate monetization
Exclusive content is generally only issued behind a pay wall, which doesn't seem to be the intent of PeerTube.
Assuming that audience isn't bots ala Twitter or Facebook, or what the audience on YT will probably eventually turn into.
You can diversify your income without culling your primary source of income. Asking people to uproot their livelihood and fire their employees isn't that... Great.
Anybody receiving income from a site they do not control should diversify. Ideally they should have their own site and use uncontrolled sites to funnel people to that site. That way a platform ban does not kill all income.
But distributing content only on your own site would also kill all income
I agree 100%.
The idea is to use the other platforms to attempt to get people to use your site first (funnel) in order to cut out the middleman.
unless you’re doing videos purely as a hobby, moving to PeerTube is just not doable. not when the most viewed videos on the platform (from people who also post to YouTube on parallel) are in the couple thousands, if that.
there’s no ad revenue on PeerTube, and with its puny audience, there’s no sponsorship or donation money either.
imo the best option, even if you’re a hobbyist, is to upload to both platforms and use that to funnel people to PeerTube (even if that means less revenue), or to use another platform like Nebula.
moving entirely to PeerTube is not doable for the vast majority of youtubers, unfortunately.
Good suggestion, funnelling is a good idea. Could work well if there was more content on PeerTube than YouTube. Pretty much what Dropout does with their content now that I think about it.
They don't even funnel in just their audience - their funnel also converts them to paying subscribers. They seem to be growing healthily, so I'd try it if I were a video creator on YouTube.
There's an add-on for Firefox to search the video you are about to see in YT in PeerTube. If it finds it, the page loads and you see it in PT.
I disagree about using Odysee, it's has far-right videos on there. Much prefer people to use PeerTube where the well-known instances at least won't allow those sort of video in the first place.
Also the crypto angle.
Odysee's better for generating traction because it has a larger userbase than PeerTube, but shouldn't be your go-to, is what I was trying to insinuate.
Also, you can at least block the right-wing stuff on there and your decision will be respected, Google doesn't respect the 'don't show me any of this' command at all on YT, and will still show you stuff you told it not to show you anyways, by contrast.
Basically, Odysee's good for generating buzz and trying to get your name out there without using Google to do it, but PeerTube's better in terms of having control over your content and presence.
Every platform has far right videos. YouTube, peertube, viemo, rumble, bitchute.
I know. It's why I said "Well-known instances" when talking about PeerTube as those instances tend to haves rules against it and take it very seriously.
If you want people to actually watch your videos, you have to put them on YouTube. That's where audiences are. PeerTube is a ghost town, and I honestly doubt it could ever reach the point of becoming a serious competitor to YouTube.
And if you're a creator who relies on YouTube to make a living, PeerTube will never, ever, ever be viable for that.
I’ve heard good things about Floatplane as well. Mainly from DankPods
Or even Nebula if you work in the education/DIY or documentary niches; assuming you can get a big enough audience, you could theoretically sell premium content on Nebula to fund your free content on PeerTube or Odysee.
I won't be surprised if there was an art/entertainment or commentary niche equivalent for Nebula somewhere, unless Floatplane is that equivalent.
YouTube lets absolutely anyone upload a video, even if it will only get tens of views from their immediate friends, meaning someone can start making videos and grow organically.
I don't think Floatplane lets just anyone upload.
I get it and I agree with everything said in the first 5 minutes but I don't think I can watch 25 minutes of it.