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China is ending war, but at what cost?
this post was submitted on 13 Oct 2025
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Less dead babies of [BAD COUNTRY]? The gall! The evils of gommulism know no bounds!
Just found out that most rare earth minerals aren't even that rare, it's just that China has built up the only major capacity to refine them. Very cool!
China is finally boycotting Israel (and Ukraine) while they are at it.
... good?
It's a good thing we're not angering them with 200% tariffs or anything... oh wait.
This has actually been the case for quite some time, and the west just kind of walked right into it because no central planning. I posted about it a while ago when China declared all rare earth minerals belonged to the state. The situation is not at all akin to the fossil fuel industry where Russia or Saudi Arabia or Venezuela control massive reserves, but are still just one of many major producers. China wields an effective monopolistic share over several critical rare earth mineral resources to the point that ramping up production anywhere else in the world is not even feasible without direct state intervention to subsidize the industry in order to circumvent long long LONG term unprofitability, and even then China also has a monopoly on actually processing these materials.
after 5 years, why is hexbear still posting screenshots of headlines without linking the article?
https://fortune.com/2025/10/12/china-rare-earth-export-controls-trump-tariffs-us-trade-war/
they're posting the part people read, what's the big deal
Headlines are often misleading and shouldn't be trusted on their own. Headlines are often not even written by the article writer. Headlines are often chosen by editors. Sometimes the editors get the headline completely wrong.
I have a few questions about the headline. What does "participating in the modern economy" mean? What does "modern economy" mean? Who is "former white house advisor"? What is the intention of the person saying this?
The quote is sourced from a guy named Dean Woodley Ball, a techbro who was a policy advisor on an AI bill for Trump earlier this year. The article is about a tweet written by this particular techbro. In another tweet, Dean compares DOGE to The Manhattan Project. It seems like "participating in the modern economy" in the context of the tweet is hyperbolic. At the end of the tweet, he begs countries to find sources of rare earth besides China.
Thirty-year-old techbro, who Trump payed to say that AI is good, tweets that China is going to control the world's economy.
What is actually happening is that China is requiring that companies which export rare earth products from China to have a license. The article doesn't even say this, but China's intention behind this program is to prevent rare earth products being used in weapons/military. Basically, if a company is wanting to make weapons, China doesn't want to give them rare earth products.
"In the context of turmoil and frequent military conflicts in the world, China has taken note of the important uses of medium and heavy rare earths and related items in the military field. China, as a responsible major country, employs export controls on related items according to the law, in order to better defend world peace and regional stability, and to fulfill non-proliferation and other international obligations."
So the real reason why the White House is mad is because China is trying to reduce military/weapons production.
So the real reason why the White House is mad is because China is trying to reduce military/weapons production.
oh idk I guess i'm built different because I get all that from the headline
It's literally the same user doing it. How we triumph over this evil, I don't know.
thank you, you get me
Na'vi's rare earth controls can 'forbid any country on Earth from participating in the modern economy', former Marine officer warns
Should have kept a tight lid on gunpowder, too. Thanks Temujin, now the cumskins have guns. Are you happy?
Temujin when Wishjin knocks on his door
Why won't China give the USA the means and materials to harm them in the future? 
I've predicted it before, and every news story has me more convinced- the US is heading towards a military coup, probably after Trump makes himself a dictator and we lose a war with Iran. America's Caesar/Napoleon will be a liberal driller type who makes moderate wokeness and abundance the national religion, but reindustrializes the country like Stalin.
It does kinda feel like we're due for an FDR 2.0 to take the pressure off if America isn't gonna go full fascism, but things are gonna have to get a lot worse for that to happen. Life is mediocre now but we're not close to Great Depression levels yet
but reindustrializes the country like Stalin.
This is not going to happen:
- The Wall Street finance capital will not allow it
- The US spent decades killing trade union movements by de-industrializing itself, it’s not going to want to have to deal with labor movements once again
- Trump has no industrial policy, is cutting federal government funding on key sectors especially academia and sciences, and mass laying off federal employees
Does this look like re-industrialization to you?
What is happening with Trump’s global tariffs is becoming clear though:
The US is leveraging China’s vast industrial capacity to destroy the European economy. Have you noticed that European car manufacturers and green tech sector are being destroyed by China’s vastly cheaper and superior products?
Yeah, good luck dealing with that. The EU economy is cooked, and what’s going to happen is a massive harvest by US finance capitalism as they did to the USSR 30 years ago.
Perhaps it will be like what Varoufakis says, the EU will be coerced into de-industrializing itself and import from the US manufacturers, swapping the role with the US to prop up whatever is left of the US industrial base.
Meanwhile, Trump’s tariff is forcing China to dump its surplus export goods on the rest of the Global South. The latest trade numbers on China’s export shows that its export has grown 8.3% yoy in September!
What this means is that we’re about to see a full blown mercantilist fight in the Global South as many exporter countries find their domestic industries unable to compete with the cheap Chinese goods flooding their countries, so they have to either make a deal with the US, or be forced to take IMF/foreign loans to bail out their failing economy. And by doing so, the US reshapes the global supply chain through its finance capital as we see a bailing out through IMF/foreign loans on a scale never seen before (Argentina is taking a lead on that).
The above is only made possible because:
- The Ukraine war has destroyed Europe’s energy sovereignty and negated their ability to expand the EU consumer market to replace those of the US
- Covid pandemic has stalled China’s attempt to transition into a domestic consumption led economy, and with the investment-led property bubble bursting, forcing it to return to relying even more on exporting EVs and solar panels to make up for the drop in GDP growth
The only way out of this is for China to abandon the neoliberal export-led growth model, run up its fiscal deficit (by giving jobs guarantee) to offset the loss in export and investment to drive up a 1.4 billion consumer market that capable of absorbing the global surplus capacities.
This will stop the exporter countries’ reliance on selling to the US, and when countries no longer have to run a trade surplus against America, the dollar becomes useless. This is how you properly de-dollarize.
This seems to me to be a very accurate analysis. I agree that it looks like this is what is happening. Thanks, I hope people see this comment.
I think there are a lot of signs and a lot of rhetoric, that China does try to shift in the general direction of an internal consumer market, even if it's not looking to become a full shift yet. But we can't control what governments or corporations do. And they don't care one bit for our advice.
The real question in every analysis is, what will all that mean for actual marxist struggle on the ground internationaly (in the global South, in Europe, in the US, etc.)?
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reindustrializes the country like Stalin
That simply will not happen. Capitalism without central planning doesn't fully industrialize in that manner or at that speed.
I'm predicting that Liberal Caesar will introduce central planning, realizing it's the only way to make the US a world power again. I said "like Stalin" as a joke, but they'll make the US into a State Capitalist mixed economy where the commanding heights are under effective state control in order to reindustrialize.
they'll make the US into a State Capitalist mixed economy where the commanding heights are under effective state control in order to reindustrialize
I can't tell if this is a bit.
The US will absolutely not reindustrialize to any meaningful degree. They are still in the process of stealing the copper wire, and you think they'll aquiesce to state control?
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I also predict this. Yanquis love the fucking milliary so much they would gladly lick the boots of a "reasonable" junta. I've pitched it to libs in real life just to get a sense of their acceptance and like half are like "ooh what a good idea!" like it doesn't undermine the very foundations of their precious constitutional governance. Worse part is it probably would be better than the sham democracy we have, but they simply do not understand what life under a milliary regime is like.
Would be pretty ironic though considering the history if US backed coups. At least Latin Americans could get a good laugh in.
Lmao libs that won’t arrest Trump for trying to overthrow the government because it will “undermine democracy” will acquiesce to the Beautiful Generals taking control to restore “the norms”
Please Xi, do a pro gamer move.
lol, I guess Hegseth et al. are investing a trillion dollars in board-with-a-nail-through-it technology? Less F-35c, more Fe-2x4
xi PLS PLZZ XI!!!
when US-NATO keeps openly talking about a future confrontation with China, it will a good idea to permanently ban these heavy rare earths exports that are vital to advanced weapons.
yeah. however, historically, if you threaten a fascist with not being able to make an even bigger war in the future, they might just immediately go start the biggest war they possibly can right now....
see germany looking at the soviet union and realising they might not be able to take them if they wait and let it get stronger. see japan looking at how much oil they have left after the embargo, realising it's not a lot and doing a pearl harbor.
Looks like USA is doing its best to spread itself thin with Ukraine, Palestine, and Venezuela already. We can hope that war with China has already become impossible.
Hope China removed Israel from the modern economy.
The "can" in the headline is doing a lot of heavy lifting
Any second now
China achieves world peace with this one weird trick
Unlike the US which never does worse using financial tricks.
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