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Hello,

I have been researching about blockchains and stuff and it all seems like a big scam. It's not sustainable and can be replaced by a simple database.

is there any legitimate use cases of blockchains or it is all just a big scam?

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[–] JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml 107 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Any application where you want to record something publicly without the possibility to alter it and in absence of a central authority.

A database requires a central authority so it doesn’t cover the same use cases.

[–] mormund@feddit.org 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Good summary, a few additions from my side:

  • Being public is not required. E.g. banks could form an internal block chain shared only with other banks.
  • Blockchains are a database. An immutable and usually distributed database.
[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 25 points 1 week ago

Also worth noting that the computations don't have to be expensive either, it's only there in cryptocurrencies to artificially limit the number of blocks generated on a public system and tie it into the reward system.

So for a bank, that could be a plain single iteration of a sha256 hash, and once share everyone agrees those were the transactions and you can't go back and change one without having to change the whole chain.

Make it sha1 and you basically have git.

A blockchain is more or less just an append-only database. Or even an append-only replication log with built-in checksums.

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[–] chaosCruiser 13 points 1 week ago (7 children)

The lack of a trusted central authority is key. If you have at least one authority you can trust just barely enough, the whole idea of a blockchain collapses. There needs to be an urgent trust crisis for this to work.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Also, if you have no trusted parties, you have a huge "First Owner" problem.

If we were to set up a blockchain to track the ownership of fluffy hats, what's to stop me from seeing your fluffy hat, and quickly registering it as mine?

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[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

i’ll add a concrete example to this… i’ve described a startup i built in another comment but TLDR:

compliance obligations when protecting kids from sexual predators are difficult to prove: sexual abuse usually comes out 30 years later, so standard record keeping is pretty fraught… companies (like the company monitoring compliance - our startup for example) might not exists any more, paper gets lost, database formats become difficult or impossible to read

writing signed proof of compliance to the blockchain is a way of ensuring that an organisation was doing what they could at the time… how this is achieved is tricky for anyone but the source of record, but with blockchain it’s possible (described in the post)

[–] Ch3rry314@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Could this be a true voting record? Votes would be transparent, but as you say, unalterable.

[–] JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If the political vote is public, voters are exposed to blackmail or they may sell their vote. It’s a bad idea unfortunately.

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[–] otter@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

https://xkcd.com/2030/

I appreciate that when you find a relevant xkcd, the explainxkcd page also has relevant information to the discussion:

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=2030%3A_Voting_Software

When the reporter follows the interview up with a mention of blockchain technology, Megan and Cueball reflexively tell the reporter to avoid any voting system using the technology at all costs. Blockchain is a relatively new technology that is intended to solve some computer security issues by making it difficult to doctor old data. However, in the process of solving the old computer security issues, it has introduced new computer security issues that have not yet been ironed out; for instance, it doesn't solve input fraud issues, only data-doctoring fraud, so if a program caused the voting machine to record a vote for candidate B whenever a vote for candidate A was cast (such a program could be uploaded to the voting machines through USB, or through the internet which the voting machine must be connected to for blockchain), blockchain would not prevent it. Blockchain has also had a large number of high-profile scams, thefts, and implementations with critical security holes. Thus, Megan and Cueball may not trust this blockchain solution because of this history.

Blockchain is really great at preventing post-facto data changes. With blockchain you can somewhat guarantee that no one comes in after the election and changes the votes on the machines. (Unless they're handling the blockchain in a stupid fashion, for example without the distribution.) But you cannot prevent tampering with the machines themselves, such as making them record votes that didn't happen, or tampering the data before it's written to the blockchain.

Also, the security issues that Blockchain solves could also be solved via write-once memory, which would be more secure and more difficult to doctor.

Most computer security specialists are more worried about programs that randomly and/or deliberately misreport a vote, than people changing the votes after they're already recorded, so blockchain would solve an issue that most computer security specialists are less worried about, while causing new issues (the perpetual internet connection among them).

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Whereas voting with a piece of paper can be tracked and validated by a severely myopic 6 year old. And you can recount it. You can't "recount" a blockchain if that's your only source.

And if you do both, then why bother with the blockhain?

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[–] tty5@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Anything that requires a public, immutable database. Land registry would be one example. Notary public for electronic documents would be another.

You can leverage the majority consensus to create a trusted software build system. Each block would be a package build

[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

If you have to have someone enforce the land registry or the documents, what is the benefit of the database being zero trust?

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 week ago

It's just a data store (database kind of implies extra features) that's trust-free and decentralised. It's not even the only way to implement one; Ripple for example uses a slightly different scheme.

How has nobody linked the XKCD on this exact question? Randall Monroe compares them in the alt text to grappling hooks: something cool that might have uses, but only in very specific niches. https://xkcd.com/2267/

[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Using it as a currency which requires no third party for transactions is a legitimate use case. See current payment processors vs Steam conflict for why it may be a good idea. There are a lot of times when it's not a good idea either.

However the price must be reasonably stable and transaction cost low. Don't think any of the major CCs qualify.

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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Like most of the tech bro industry, they take something with real value, completely misunderstand it, creates fake value, pumps.

LLMs are awesome, but the current AI industry is terrible and completely misses the actual value of LLMs.

NFTs are actually a great way to digitally prove ownership, basically the future of digital ownership certificates.

Crypto is a way to make money for the people by the people, and not for the rich, by the rich, through the people.

Blockchain is the core idea that makes crypto and NFTs possible. You can think of it as a decentralized DB, it's useful because it means that the majority controls the data and not a centralized authority.

Imagine that the government decided to print a million dollars and give it to some politician, it's small enough to not be noticed by the market, but it still devalues the money. They could only do it because they own the money management system. In Blockchain each transaction is confirmed by external parties (often multiple ones) and it has to align with the already existing db (which everyone has a copy of) so in that scenario if the government tries to "print" money it will be conflicting with the existing db and it will not be accepted, so they will have to either continue with an incompatible db (making it as worthless as monopoly money) or cancel the transactions by realigning with the common db.

Blockchain is not meant to be a database like the ones in web servers, it is meant to be a database for a consensus of users.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

because it means that the majority controls the data and not a centralized authority.

Only until it doesn't. A centralized authority could overwhelm and become the majority. Or more concretely, the US government has the resources to more than double the contribution to Bitcoin, thus giving it complete control.

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[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In theory, yes. I can't think of a practical example, but it's basically a decentralized, public, write-only database. I'm sure there are niche applications for use as a public ledger or similar.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Honestly, cryptocurrency is an example. Some cryptocurrencies don't have mining and so aren't all that bad, and there is a use case for it, even if most of what we see today is hype.

Another example might be something like a way of proving something happened before a certain time. Like how people can send themselves sealed letters in the mail, and claim that the postmark proves that it was sealed before that date. If you put cryptographic signatures only into a public blockchain, that could be used as evidence that the document existed at that time.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Some countries are considering using blockchain in the future for their land title registry.

here is an article about it

I read something about potentially using blockchain the future while using onland (ontarios land registry service) but i can't seem to find the page that mentions it.

here is a similar system proposed for Bangladesh

[–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's a few issues with that approach:

  • Blockchains can't forget, but they also need to add new blocks on every period, meaning that there's a lot of idle events that are added to the chain. You can increase the period, but then the chain has more latency. Either way, the disk space needed to store the full chain grows really fast, which becomes a problem when trying to bootstrap a new root node, or backup an existing one.
  • Unless you're trading land titles internationally (read: there's no single trusted authority), blockchains could just be replaced with a regular distributed database and servers.
  • Chains don't offer out of band recovery and error correction.
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[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Yes. Tracking stock shares would prevent dark pools and naked short selling to some degree.

That's also why it will never happen.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

The point of the blockchain is to achieve distributed consensus of what's in the database. That way, one entity can't unilaterally change what the database says.

If you have a public non-profit institution maintaining the database, obligated to serve all legal customers, with serious consequences for tampering with it, you can get pretty much everything blockchain can do, for a billionth of the computing power.

But with that system, you would lose these features:

  • partially-anonymous participants
  • service of all customers, even illegal ones
  • immunity to court orders
[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

People will easily list a lot of credible legitimate usecases

that are hypothetical

and have remained hypothetical for 18 years.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Being on Lemmy, I like the idea of decentralized and permissionless stuff, including money. The problem I have with crypto is that they're either clearly scams (Trumpcoin, Melaniacoin etc) or they were not intended as a scam but the market fails to fairly price them because they speculate (e.g. Bitcoin).

Also I don't understand why people keep insisting in buying Bitcoin when the energy to "produce" it is enormous and is responsible for a lot of CO2 emissions when there are greener cryptocurrencies.

[–] MalMen@masto.pt 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

@tired_n_bored @Deestan the mining aspect is what makes it secure.,. In theory Proof of Stake is greener, but once someone archive 51% of stake he became the owner of the network, while with proof of work the cost of securing the network is permanent... Saying this, i do agree that bitcoin energy spend is ab issue...

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

Yes, your honor. My buying of drugs online was only hypothetical, it never happened.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Besides money laundering, you mean? Not as such.

Merkle Trees were thought up in the 70ies or so. A blockchain is a Merkle Tree without branches. They are used in a number of application; for example git which predates bitcoin.

The actual innovation behind bitcoin is mining. A payment system needs someone who runs it. Bitcoin introduced a way for these people to get paid by creating new currency for themselves. That way, there is no single entity in charge. There is no contractual relation that would require government enforcement.

If a Merkle Tree is the only thing a blockchain is to you, then it has legit uses. But that was already widely used before a simplified version became called blockchain.

If you're thinking about a bitcoin-type blockchain, then evading government oversight is its sole use. The technical overhead and the economic inefficiencies exist only to obscure identities and legal responsibilities.

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes. Decentralised certificates (NFTs) for the likes of digitally owning something non fungible (think like a concert or plane ticket that isn't tied to Ticketmaster, etc), or more commonly, cryptocurrency. A way of storing wealth digitally without anyone controlling it centrally.

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I would argue against this stance, but not completely. The need for decentralized authorities only comes about due to a lack or trust or failure of the custodians of the product.

From your example, you could turn concert tickets into verifiable tokens (I do think this would be a good idea), and it would solve a lot of after market sale and validation issues. The only reason we have these issues in [checks current year] is because monopolies like LiveNation/TicketMaster have so throughly turbo-fucked the system that venues and customers cant do anything about it.

IMO, blockchains are a cool concept, and I love that cryptography is now a common topic of discussion because of it. However, its a solution looking for a problem and the problems up until this point are manufactured by the people selling the product or straight up ponzi schemes.

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[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago

Yes. Public append-only data structures. For example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_Transparency

[–] TheBeege@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Basically, no. At least, not until everyone has the knowledge and resources to run their own compute, which is never.

Decentralized systems must be accessible and maintainable by the majority. Blockchain is neither of these. It's also why the internet moved to platforms rather than remaining as many niche forums.

Additionally, network effects and economies of scale make decentralized systems difficult. See Lemmy. Even here, World is the biggest because it's simpler and easier to do everything in one place. People don't have to make decisions. People don't have to do their own work.

Basically, human psychology and economics suck

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Not really, blockchain technically has been around for almost two decades and there still isn't a good use for them. It's very interesting piece of tech that could potentially be useful, but still isn't in a practical sense.

Think of it this way, blockchain tech is a solution looking for a problem to solve rather than the other way around.

They are a write only database that doesn't rely on a centralised point of authority.

Transactions are a perfect use case and objectively better than the current fiat currency method. Unfortunately the pure intentions based in cryptography and mathematics has been spoiled by grifters trying to make a quick buck.

Monero has stayed true to the ideals of crypto completely decentralised. Truly anonymous. Faster than fiat. Cheaper than fiat. More power efficient than fiat. Real value tied to real goods not just a speculative asset.

[–] bluecat_OwO@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

since a lot of replies branched towards Cryptocurrency, which is where blockchains are implemented the most in. But it isn't the sole purpose of blockchain.

It's a distributed, append only(theoretically), tamper proof data structure. Look up merkle tree, certificate distribution, etc. These comes in different shapes and sizes for storing transaction logs, to keeping track of online identity and false impersonation.

You can implement a blockchain that might not get as power hungry as crypto block chains(because mining), and it's a cool solution in distributed systems

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just a big scam.

The only remotely valid use case I ever head was for a Write Once Read Many (worm) audit log but regular databases are still a better fit.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 16 points 1 week ago

Just a big scam.

he’s talking about the tech not the stuff that runs on top of it

[–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

That's effectively what git does.

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