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Everyone just saying jobs they dont like, or that they have ethical qualms about, but ignoring "regardless of pay" - and I don't believe you.
Just imagine the salary for the position is $500m per year. At a certain point, you would be able to quit the job with plenty of money for the rest of your life after working for a very short period of time, or else you would be able to use the money to make more good in the world than the harm done by your labor.
If you have a skill set someone is offering $500k for, someone less shitty is going to be offering at least $400k. So you're not giving up $500k, you're giving up $100k or 20%. I've taken bigger pay cuts than that in exchange for increased job satisfaction.
Every other job will only hire you for a normal wage that you would make in the real world.
The point of the exercise is to grapple with an ethical quandry, not to sidestep it.
I'm not particularly interested in an exercise which is completely irrelevant to real-world scenarios. In the real world your choice would look more similar to my example, so that is the more relevant hypothetical.
If we cared about the real world, we'd be actually doing something, rather than just talking.
ICE thug Slumlord’s handyman Anything that takes orders directly from the Trump administration
"By the way, if anyone here is in advertising or marketing...kill yourself" --Bill Hicks
"Oh, you know what Bill’s doing? He’s going for that anti-marketing dollar. That’s a good market. He’s very smart."
No! Fuck you, you work in advertising you’re sucking the devils cock. Kill yourself!
ICE agent.
What if they paid you enough to bankroll a political campaign for the opposition?
A) they wouldn't. B) I'd still end up in jail for attacking another agent.
A) That's not the question. The question said "regardless of pay." So we can imagine you get paid $500m. It doesn't have to be realistic. That's the point of a hypothetical.
B) If that's the case, you need to work on your impulse control. In our hypothetical scenario, you would be sacrificing the political change you could create with your salary for the short term satisfaction of hurting someone else. It's a bit of a trolley problem - but then, the point of trolly problems is to get us to grapple with our ethical assumptions.
Unless you are very good at causing internal disruptions, sabotage and slow downs.
Same. Although mainly because I don't have the cool maintain my cover while undermining the organization from within.
Palantir
Meta
Amazon
Apple
As a Software Engineer my list is only slightly longer and has these additional companies:
Oracle
Microsoft
any military or military complex job. i refuse to assist or partake in the murdering of humans.
Jack booted tool of oppression
Nursing.
Couldn't pay me to go through the hell those people witness
Me ex-wife worked 100% in surgery. She used to laugh that she never had to talk to the fuckers. She was so clinical about it that she could tell me about a case and had no idea if it was a man or woman, black or white, nothing, just body parts.
Mercenary/ "private military contractor", ICE agent, prison gaurd
Anything requiring me to travel to the US
travel to the US
They round up 12 people a month from New Zealand. NEW ZEALAND! Anyone hating on the nicest country on the planet really has mental issues they need to get solved.
Anything where you're around the public all day. Rather wash dishes than be a waitress.
Sales. Especially telesales.
I spent years doing sales because they were the only opportunities that I had available, and I hated every minute of it. Now that I'm finally out, I would NEVER go back.
My coworker left our job because a place offered him a pay raise that was like half his current salary.
He came back - the job was so terrible he couldn't stay there. Not just the actual work, but the people.
I try to avoid working anyplace evil, so banks, oil companies, etc. and there are environments I can't be productive in - government, healthcare, anyplace very structured and bureaucratic. I guess if the pay and position are secured, and I can handle my work however I want without losing them, then I would not do anything that would kill me or others either directly or through incompetence (underwater welder, race car driver, assassin, surgeon), would probably cave on banks and other evil orgs, since I might be able to try to change them from the inside.
Retail. Done it for 4 years and got treated like absolute shit by customers, especially during the pandemic. I got told off a few times for speaking back to customers but I think now I'd probably struggle not to hit them. I'd be sacked very quickly
Working under Trump.
Prison guard. You can’t leave work during your shift, you’re in prison.
Prostitution. My apologies if this subject is taboo. However, it is the oldest profession in the world and stood the test of time. I have a vivid imagination and I’m having trouble imagining what would happen if I’m just not attracted or aroused.
Raytheon and co. Anything related to "defense", really.
You only go around the sun so many times, and you want to spend it on making brown kids into skeletons more efficiently? Fuck that shit.
Anything in the Oil Industry, Cops, Military, or Evil Multinational Corporations
Politics, in any form.
Corporate, in any form.
Police, in any form.
Military, in any form.
They all - I believe that institutionalized, hierarchical authority is rather obviously inherently destructive, and I couldn't willingly take part. In fact, one of the things that perplexes me the most about politics in particular is that there are people who do willingly take part. I can only conclude that their brains are broken in some fundamental way such that they don't see or don't care about the harm they inevitably do.
This unfortunately is the problem with the police. People who see the police as problematic are unwilling to join so the majority of people who join are the ones who just want to have power over others.
There are many variations on the quote but a cop who doesn’t report a bad cop is themselves a bad cop, so you could be the actual good cop who reports their coworkers until you get fired from the corrupt org but if enough people did that we might actually see some change.
Cops also have a surprising amount of freedom to choose to enforce laws so you could also just not enforce laws you consider corrupt.
I am saying this as a person who wouldn’t want to associate with a cop but would love to have some cops who aren’t bastards but unfortunately #ACAB
There are plenty of jobs I'd be terrible at regardless of what they pay.
If it's an actual job and not just something made up to be arbitrarily horrible I'd probably give anything a try if you pay 10x my current pay.
Cop
Ice
Dhs
Military
HR rep
This one doesn't feel inherently evil. There are some great HR reps where I work now, but I don't work for a company that's trying to milk us dry.
Shift work.
Never again.
I once interviewed at a bulk email (spam) company because i was desperate for a job. They realized how uncomfortable i was so didn’t offer it, but i like to think I would have declined, regardless how much i needed the job.
Fall guy
Anything that requires me to exert force with my hands repetitively for long periods, like teasing or twisting. I've done it while fixing things around the house, and I'm damn sure I'd get carpal tunnel very quickly. But typing and moving the mouse all day, every day is fine & dandy! 🙃
Materials handler at a chemical plant.
