No Stupid Questions

Think of how stupid the average person is, then realize half of them are stupider than that. - Carlin

The dedication of these individuals is noteworthy... What drives this persistence? Is it a deep-seated belief system that overrides rational analysis

It's a lovely little combo of desperation and digging themselves into a hole. Most of the elements of sovereign citizens come from people who are not in good situations, as outlined by the canadian court's very thorough opinion (which has already been linked twice in this thread, so I won't bother it again). Once you're in it, the same situation occurs that you can see with people in cults, mlm companies, or ponzi schemes. Maybe if you keep going, and pushing through the pain right now, you'll get that mythical payoff. The alternative is to face the fact that you've likely ruined your life, rendering impossible whatever you hoped to achieve in the legal system in the first place.

An interesting addendum to your question: this is not a exclusively US based phenomenon. In Germany there are the Reichsbürgers they have similar ideas.

They think legally the state has no claim to rule and most people just don't know they still live in the German Reich still.

So they have their own king selling them passports and they have pretty aggressive group think to try and enforce their claims.

My wife's dad is one of them. The main thing I recognize comes from a pathological need to know better than everybody else. It's very tightly coupled to their sense of worth and identity. They are better than everybody else because they have seen the light.

Pretty culty behavior and just enough pseudo truth to keep simple minds saying "yeah there might be something there". Like "vaccination causes autism, they just don't want you to know".

Makes a loser in societies eyes, but a superhuman in their eyes. And yes, they still run into a wall and just keep trying to adjust their angle to hit that sacred sweet spot. Because now they need to prove how they are better and as they already have sacrificed so much they can't be wrong to continue. (Just like a gambler who already lost a lot.)

So it's a few psychological dynamics that grip into each other like gears and that ratchet them ever so tightly to their belief until there is no turning back.

I think it’s low level mental illness or some yet to be diagnosed mental condition. I don’t think it manifests itself strictly in Sov Cit folks. Think of those people who go full Don Quixote over some perceived wrong wrought onto them. They dig themselves in to fight something ridiculous and impossible to win -for they have no case- and spend their lives dedicated to it, never giving up or letting it go. The Sov Cit dudes at least have each other to commiserate.

It's funny because the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS work for cops.

Speeding? You mean traveling in a conveyance.

Assault and battery? You mean protecting and serving.

Deprivation of rights, kidnapping, and false imprisonment? You see, your honor, I didn't know about any of that stuff so it shouldn't apply to me.

In conclusion, the only "sovereign citizens" in this country are the bitches in blue.

They believe that the right amount of good spells recited in the correct order will grant them victory. Unfortunately they've studied a different magic book than most people, so their magic does not work on others.

The prerequisite for joining such hyperindividualistic ideologies is the belief that you're better/more important than others, that the work of others can't be depended on ("if you want it done right, you've got to to it yourself" fallacy mindset).

So:

Why do people continue to adopt this seemingly futile approach? It’s akin to watching 5,000 parachutists attempt a failed jump from the Eiffel Tower, only for newcomers to keep trying despite knowing, or perhaps ignoring, the inevitable outcome. Despite the growing pile of mangled bodies at the base of the tower, every day people decide to climb up and try for themselves.

"Well duh, those people failed because they weren't me!"

To be clear, there really is no such thing as a "Sovereign Citizen" except in their own brain.

They believe that there is some hidden loophole that only "smart" people understand that allows them to reap the benefits of being a part of a society without having to be subject to any of its rules; and that that cheat code is accessed via some combination of paperwork that the government keeps hidden from the public.

Essentially, to them, the social contract (ie. citizens voluntary give up certain rights like the right to speed through red lights, the right to murder, etc... and subject themselves to laws of the state in exchange for that state providing them with roads, infrastructure, stability, prosperity and the right certain inalienable freedoms) is just for suckers who don't know the correct forms to fill out.

It's absolute mind-numbing stupidity of the highest order.

If they were reasonable or intelligent they wouldn't be what they are in the first place.

Because people are idiots

1. They DO see people claiming success.

These include scammers, and suckers who don't want to admit they're wrong.

2. Their sovcit actions DO occasionally lead to success.

The rare success isn't due to it being valid, but rather because the officials don't want to deal with a crazy person. For example police sometimes let sovcit people out of getting a ticket because sovcits can be dangerous wackos and the cop just doesn't want to deal with them. Another example is sometimes a government clerk will actually file an actually useful form to do a thing even when the sovcit tries to file some crazy nonsense form.

Being a conspiracy theorist by default requires ignoring evidence that goes against your claims, so it's not that surprising really :3

Yes, the argument failed in the past. But, on the other hand, I'm the main character, so when I do it things will be different.

I suspect you already know about Meads v Meads. Paragraph 73 of that provides some clues:

All this is a consequence of the fact gurus proclaim they know secret principles and law, hidden from the public, but binding on the state, courts, and individuals.

Many people like the thought that they know something no one else knows or that at least most people don't know. Including things about the law.

Because our president shows that once in 248 years, someone who continuously flouts the law somehow makes it into power, then changes everything to be in their favor, permanently.

Because stupidity is immortal.

Why does the US government pursue an unwinnable War on Drugs ?

Belief in what they are doing is important and right.

Of which they are not.

Delusion

If I had to guess, i think most of it comes down to not wanting to understand how society works, and finding it easier to think everything should come for free to them. If I couldn't afford my car payments and someone told me that if you're a sovereign citizen, you don't have to pay, I could see how desperation could lead people to think they could get out of obligations. There's also probably a large group of influencers and scammers who are incentivized to spread this misinformation, which is how it spreads.

It's also likely that for minor infractions, they're let off with a warning from an officer who doesn't want to deal with them, and this emboldens them to think they're correct in how society functions, until they get an officer who won't put up with them, or do something so egregious, it can't be ignored.

Identities with more rigorous behavior requirements often persist longer. It seems counter-intuitive but the greater the buy-in required, the more appealing the identity seems to be.

In some weird and deeply human way, displaying your devotion to these doomed and unreasonable defenses probably increases the individual's status among their sovereign peers. That's the payoff that we don't see when we only look at the financial and legal costs.

They do it for the same reason people buy lottery tickets, despite the horrible odds: blind hope.

Plus, you never have to admit you were wrong.

Because they see other people gaming the system or somehow otherwise being protected from the consequences of their actions. Ethan Couch, who drove drunk underage and killed four people and fled the scene, and who got probation. Brock Turner who raped an unconscious woman, and who got stuff months in county jail and was released after three months. Matthew Broderick, who drove into the wrong lane, hit a car head-on, killed two people, and was fined a hundred pounds. Hundreds of cases, some high-profile, some only known to the local community, where people get off - sometimes on technicalities, sometimes on connections, sometimes on good lawyering, sometimes on bribes.

Then people wonder why they can't get away with things. Millionaires and billionaires get their debts written off, so they should be able to do so as well. They should be able to claim that they're not subject to laws just like those other people. So they start looking for things that might exempt them, patterns of how to get away with things. Every time something goes wrong, it's not because they're poor or unconnected, it must be because that other guy's lawyer wrapped his case in a red ribbon, or capitalized the defendant's name, or something else esoteric that they didn't notice or didn't think of.

And they talk to each other, sharing their theories of his to get away with things. And there's also a rich ecosystem of fraudsters and conmen who are absolutely willing to take advantage of them, selling them false license plates and fake "passports", selling handbooks and online courses on how to get away with stuff. If they're caught (and haven't just changed over to some other URL), it's because the law changed or there was some nuance in their situation, and you just need this other thing that'll fix it, it's only $129.99, payable in four easy installments ....

Isn't it one of the fundamentals that everybody has the same right to go to courts?

So, even the idiots must be allowed.

They just don't know better.

They are not smart people.

That's it.

I'm pretty sure at this point that most of them think that Legal jargon is the equivalent to a druidic incantation and they just need to find the right incantation for it all to work in their favor.