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His Mom said he had become more political lately. Specifically left-leaning, pro-gay and pro-trans. He left a note for his trans roommate that he was going to assassinate Kirk. He said that he "Had enough of Kirks hatred" in his discord chat and inscribed pro-trans, gay and antifascist rhetoric on the bullets.
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/charlie-kirk-murder-suspect-texts-motive-b2827814.html
How is any of this right wing?
Being pro-gay and protrans doesn't necessarily mean that you're not right-wing. It just means you don't share the commonly held out groups. Unusual, yes, but a tell, not really.
If he was dropping some Marxist stuff, was interested in taxing the rich, or universal healthcare, then I would say he's not right wing.
Deranged take, touch grass
Right back at you. Finger guns
So how do you know he's right wing?
Edit: Also how do address the hate comment? And justify him killing Kirk for not being far-right enough?
I don't. I don't really think the information points to a specific ideology at this point in time. I'd give the odds of them being conservative about 65%. He was born and raised in a Christian conservative family. In a religious conservative state. Gay hate can only really exist in an environment without gay people, same thing for people who hate trans people.
Which hate comment are you talking about? I am not familiar, so this might change my opinion.
As for not being far right enough, that's easy. The online and professional media have been playing the game of who can be more extreme for a while now. I believe there's a lot of conservatives out there who would be willing to kill someone on their same side for not being extreme enough. They would consider them traders, grifters, or not real conservatives.
The origin story of many gay people or future political leftists.
Assertion. It's like saying you can't hate men unless you grow up in a society without them. People hate all kinds of people for all kinds of reason. This argument doesn't work.
He said Kirk was spreading hate.
What you believe has nothing to do with what is true. There is no evidence that he thought Kirk wasnt extreme enough. In fact his hate comment indicates it could be the opposite. (e.g. that he saw Kirk as a Nazi that needed to be killed)
Holy poop you are coming on wrong and hard. I don't know if the shooter conservative or not, but you desperately don't want him to be. Probably because it would look bad for you if he was.
You're not interested in the truth, just a narrative.
I'm challenging the certainty of this entire site. My personal opinion is that he is a broken product of a nihilistic culture. I also think that he hated Charlie because he thought Charlie hated gays even though he was a big tent conservative that was inclusive for all. What people don't understand is that Kirk WAS the moderate conservative.
Kirk was definitionally a fascist.
As for what the shooter is, I'm sure time will tell. I don't see a need to jump to conclusions on that yet.
Who's somebody on the right that's not a fascist in your view? The craziest thing is that people are calling him a Nazi when one of the biggest goals of his organization was to stake a big tent and prevent people from being radicalized. He was a "constitutionalist" milquetoast conservative. With him being killed now his audience will certainly go further right.
That is kinda a strange way to counter my point that he is definitionally a fascist. Are you saying that if enough people are fascist then the none of them are?
I am saying that the rhetoric that Kirk used fits the definition of fascist rhetoric. If everyone in the world meets that definition, then everyone in the world is fascist. That's how definitions work.
Kirk believed in a constitutional republic and Presidential elections. He was also, due to being a Christian, positionally anti-LGBT but not antagonistic to them. This position is hardly something new. He welcomed them into his movement and has plenty of gay fans. He held classically right wing positions which some may find objectionable but nonetheless cling fervently to a liberal world order. Fascism is inherently anti-liberal.
I missed some of your points because I made bad assumptions and overlooked some things.
I'm not surprised that at some point in time he would say he was pro-liberal. But the positions he argued for were in support of fascism. He didn't other just gay people. He othered Muslims. He has brought up the Jewish question. He is a fan of centralizing power. Not that centralizing a power by itself would be a strong indicator of fascism. You have to take a look at the big picture.
There are several statistical lies that he keeps repeating to maintain his position. Someone is popular and is well known as Kirk would surely have people able to quietly correct him on some of these things. Yet he keeps repeating them. The outcome of this rhetoric is to empower fascists. He very likely knew that.
Now I'm not saying he was rubbing together his hands and whispering to himself "good good". I think he just followed the money.
He didn't say he was liberal I'm saying he was inherently classically liberal because of his views on the constitution, individual rights etc. He believed in representative democracy (e.g. a republic).
Again I implore you for your definition of fascism.
"Othering" isn't fascist. It just is. We are the society we are because we are not the society we aren't. This is the case with any group. If not being cool with literally everything makes you a fascist then everyone is fascist. He's right to question why we send so much money to Israel that's just having a brain. I guess AOC is a fascist too because she is anti-genocide.
I don't know what youre talking about in the last part but everyone lies with statistics all the time. If you found statistics to counter that statement you'd be lying. When it comes to statistics "lying" is often times simply an interpretation or spin you disagree with. Of course some one can tell a bald faces lie but I haven't seen that with him.
If he was just doing what got him paid that doesn't make him a fascist it makes him a grifter. A fascist is an ideologue with a very specific non-liberal worldview. He was an egalatarian that wanted to settle differences through debate. That is a far cry from someone marching around in jackboots looking for a victim.
The definition of fascism doesn't start when they put on the boots. It doesn't end when they take the boots off. Just because Kirk never killed anyone doesn't mean he isn't complicit in creating a system that would kill lots of people.
You can be both a grifter and a fascist. Especially if you grift for a fascist cause.
You can be call a fascist even if ideologically you're not, but the outcomes you produce are fascistic. This is the category I think Kirk is in.
Would we stop calling Hitler a fascist if we found out that he actually just wanted to be friends with everyone and he didn't actually care about killing all those Jews? He just failed spectacularly.
Sorry about this second thread. It's all my fault. I have answered your question on what I use to determine fascism in the other thread.
I didn't imply the entire right was fascist. I think a lot of them are. But I also think a lot of them aren't. I also think some lefties are fascists. I think some liberals are fascists. I think some black people are fascist. I think some Jewish people are fascist. I think some Palestinians are fascist. Name a group of people, I guarantee you some percentage of them are fascist. It's an easy ideology to fall into. It feels comfortable.
I'll write this again in case you missed it the first time. Fascism has a definition. There are criteria to categorize. What is fascist's behavior, What are fascist beliefs, what is fascist ideology.
You want so badly for me to be some crazy leftist who calls everyone a fascists without cause. But I'm sorry, I'm not. I'm intentionally calling Kirk a fascist. Because he meets the definition. I'm not saying it hatefully, I'm not saying it with emotion. It's just 1+1=2. The sky is blue. The grass is green. Kirk is a fascist.
What is the definition you are using?
The 14 Characteristics of Fascism by Lawrence Britt
https://osbcontent.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/PC-00466.pdf
~~Kirk was definitionally a fascist.
As for what the shooter is, I'm sure time will tell. I don't see a need to jump to conclusions on that yet.~~
Edit: duplicate post due to lag. Please ignore
To a Nazi, anything less than pure, unadulterated Nazism is "left-leaning".
You could be characterized the same way.
No, not really, I mean some tankies out there are like that, but then again if your logic is on the level of tankies you're most likely wrong. A right wing shooter killed Kirk, that's just a fact.
Should be easy for you to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt right now then.
So, far right parents in a conservative religion in a Republican town in a Republican state produced a child so tortured by a culture of hate and violence that as soon as they even start to lean either way their instinct is murder. Breaking the cycle of hate is relatively easy compared to breaking the cycle of violence. The statements they made to their roommate (even if that heresay is true) just confirm that they were a troubled child from a troubled culture trying to change. It should surprise no one that those childish attempts would be a VERY twisted reflection of the ideal. So no, he was not part of the left. Just a child in pain reacting the only way their conservative upbringing taught them.
No true scotsman. Being against ideas of the right and killing someone for espousing them ipso facto is left wing.
What is the difference between center-right, right and far right in your view?
Can we get a link from The associate press or Reuters and not a British tabloid.
Parents said their son became more political
While authorities say Robinson hasn’t been cooperating with investigators, they say his family and friends have been talking.
Robinson’s mother told investigators that their son had turned left politically in the last year and became more supportive of gay and transgender rights after dating someone who is transgender, Gray said.
Those decisions prompted several conversations in the household, especially between Robinson and his father. They had different political views and Robinson told his partner in a text that his dad had become a “diehard MAGA” since Trump was elected.
Mason added that the family’s views “differed quite significantly,” and the conversations were at times controversial between parents and son.
https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-tyler-robinson-court-death-penalty-f541df08a936e06497ee2342296bc398
Thank you.
Is the BBC good enough? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero
You can actually. I suggest using this website: www.google.com
Plenty of trans people are right-wing Trumpers. Some of them are quite popular with plenty of videos on YouTube.
There are also plenty (arguably way more) that are lefties that hate Trump's guts. What's your point?
Hey, checking the facts isn't welcome here!