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Seen this on reddit and thought it was an interesting question that largely is not talked about.

It is largely an issue that gets sidelined and hidden because people don't want to talk about it or accept that it exists. Hopefully this gets some traction to break that marginalisation.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Maybe I'm too laid back to notice, but I've never seen anyone hate men just because they're male. So much so, that in order to answer this question I had to google what "misandry" meant. I had no clue what the hell you were even asking.

Is this seriously a thing? Am I in a bubble isolated from this? Or are you in a bubble where non-issues are issues for you? Genuinely asking.

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately there are certain niches on tiktok... Depending where the algorithm throws you

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, I'm ABSOLUTELY in a bubble away from tiktok.

You know how a broken clock is right twice a day? Well, trump actually got tiktok right the FIRST time he had an opinion on it, in 2016, and surprisingly enough for the right reason.

It IS a Chinese espionage tool. It always has been. Both against their own citizens, and against other nations userbase.

I just want to make clear two things.

  1. I'm NOT a trump supporter. He just happened to be right on this one issue in 2016. It's one of those times where I was like "Wait.....really? I'm agreeing with trump??? That can't be right.....no, it checks out. He's making rational points......are we SURE this is trump??? The orange cheeto man? The grease pizza slut? That guy is.....alright. Feels weird agreeing with trump on something...."

  2. He's since reversed his stance, and gotten his own tiktok once he realized he could game the system. So, suddenly he's pro-tiktok. Which is somehow better for me personally. I can keep my position, and not feel dirty for being on trumps side. I have spent all of 0 minutes on tiktok.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Me, to MAGAS:

You hate China because you're racist.

I hate China because the CCP is a giant bag of dicks.

We are not the same.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The highest frequency I see of it is when issues are discarded when it is an issue with men. Be it homelessness, suicide, job inequality, domestic violence or any other issue. But not for women. It seems men are worthless in a lot of people's eyes because they aren't women.

Or equally men are responsible for all the bad things in the world because simply they are men and men are responsible. For example a common issue is when men say they open up to a woman and that women used that to attack them. Then someone might say this is the patriarchy and toxic masculinity in action and men need to sort it out. Even though the man has done absolutely nothing wrong only the woman. Deflecting any responsibly from women doing something they shouldn't have.

The inequality of responses from those being harmed, or undervalued and those responsible for the negativity seems at times strongly dependant on if it is a man or a women.

At least that is what I have seen mostly. But I'm more curious about others.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The highest frequency I see of it is when issues are discarded when it is an issue with men. Be it homelessness,

I wouldn't discard the risks to men that are homeless, but I easily acknowledge that a homeless woman would likely be much more vulnerable.

suicide,

This one seems very equal to me. Its a usually a tragedy to lose someone of either gender. I'm not upset if a rapist or murderer commits suicide, however, irrespective of their gender.

job inequality,

I'm not following where this is a detriment to men. Statistically and my own anecdotal observation, women are much more negatively affected by job inequality.

domestic violence

I agree this one is frequently overlooked where men are the victims. Our society is evolving on this, but not fast enough.

But not for women. It seems men are worthless in a lot of people’s eyes because they aren’t women.

I can't say I see that reflected in society. What I do see are some calling out specific issues (at least one you've raised above) as recently negatively affecting men, while the same issue has been negatively affecting women far worse and for far longer and that it had been ignored. It comes off as lack of self reflection and disingenuous where men have allowed women to suffer for years (decades? centuries?), but as soon as men are experiencing it too, its a crisis now!

Or equally men are responsible for all the bad things in the world

Certainly not all, but certainly lots and lots of bad things. Only 13 of the 193 UN member nations have ever had a woman leader of the nation. source I don't see how anyone can say women are to blame for that, nor the policies those world leaders put into place.

because simply they are men and men are responsible.

Well, if men are in charge, then it would follow that they're responsible for the outcomes, yes? I'm willing to give a woman a chance to lead. She certainly can't be any worse that some of the worst men we've had as leaders.

For example a common issue is when men say they open up to a woman and that women used that to attack them. Then someone might say this is the patriarchy and toxic masculinity in action and men need to sort it out. Even though the man has done absolutely nothing wrong only the woman. Deflecting any responsibly from women doing something they shouldn’t have.

I don't know what women you have in your life, but I have never experience this first hand with any of the women in my life.

At least that is what I have seen mostly. But I’m more curious about others.

I almost never see this kind of thing, even online. I don't do reddit (anymore), facebook, or tiktok though, so maybe thats where its happening that I don't see it?

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

some people go searching every corner of the net looking for something they call "misandry" so they can play the victim card

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Misandry is what some men call women discussing sexism. Look in the comment section of any "man VS bear" content and you'll see a lot of dudes calling the question "man hating misandry rage bait".

Msinadry is essentially the "reverse racism" and "anti white racism" for sexism. I'm not dismissing the concepts because there are always outliers with weird predjucies. But patriarchy and white superiority are historical trends rooted in centuries of history, laws and scientific studies, they just aren't comperable. Even if women and PoC discussing the ways those structures have hurt them is taken personally by some men.

[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago

But isn't that example absolute 'misandry rage bait' tho? I had to look it up (because I haven't been so terminally online lately) and, after skimming through some discovery channel results, it seems like exactly that.

Those videos just cherry pick the answers that are gonna give them more 'engagement', I do believe that 'I prefer to encounter a random bear rather than a random man while alone in the forest' to be a rather 'misandrist' (just plainly dumb honestly) answer, and I don't believe this is what a majority of women think. So I see it as obvious bait to drive those that like to cry misandry when they are forced to try women as equals to the comments.

Quick edit: if the question would have been 'who have hurt you less?' Or 'by whom are you less threatened on a daily basis?' then 'bears' is definitely a reasonable answer.