Futurology

1805 readers

39 users here now

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

273

Evidence is growing that LLMs will never be the route to AGI. They are consuming exponentially increasing energy, to deliver only linear improvements in performance. (arxiv.org)

submitted 7 months ago by Lugh to c/futurology

67 comments fedilink hide all child comments

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not calling it a search algorithm. I'm saying they all do the same math, and doing the math with more parallelism and variables doesn't make what it is a mystery.

Search algorithms searching for functions isn't new. Not knowing what each parameter corresponds to because you made your model huge doesn't make LLMs a mystery. It's still functionally one part. The hormone system is as complex as LLMs. Regulation of neurotransmitters is as complex as LLMs. Ignoring those external factors that are critical to how it works, individual portions of the brain are more complex than LLMs, then are all interconnected on top of that.

I fully believe we'll get to AGI eventually (probably not before we understand the brain a lot better), but the idea that one pretty simple algorithm is going to get us there is crazy. Human intelligence is a system of disparate systems of disparate systems at minimum.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So does having more parts make something a mystery, like the second paragraph, or not a mystery like the first?

I was a skeptic back in the day too, but they've already far exceeded what an algorithm I could write from memory seems like it should be able to do.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A combination of unique, varied parts is a complex algorithm.

A bunch of the same part repeated is a complex model.

Model complexity is not in any way similar to algorithmic complexity. They're only described using the same word because language is abstract.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

So I guess it comes down to a neurology question. How much algorithmic complexity have we found in the brain?

As far as I'm aware, we've found a few islands of neurons that work together in an obvious way, to track location on a grid for example, and hormone cycles that form a nice negative feedback loop, to keep you at an acceptable blood-sugar level for example. Most of it is still a mystery glob of neurons and other cells, albeit with a fixed pattern of layers and folds.

If we had measured massive algorithmic complexity in the brain, I'd agree with you. As it is, though, it seems unclear how much of the structure we see is conventional algorithm, and how much is the equivalent of an ANN architecture, that ultimately does the same job as no structure but learns more efficiently, or even is just a biological spandrel.