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He also said “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien. ICE using a mobile biometrics app in ways its developers at CBP never intended or tested is a frightening, repugnant, and unconstitutional attack on Americans’ rights and freedoms.”

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 hours ago

Me in 2026, being face scanned, then the Clanker goes "All y'all Asians look the same, DETAIN". 💀

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Masked police, taking pics of you at your doorstep... Murica. I wouldn't live there if you'd give me 500k a year for free.

[–] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 66 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Funny, this is what my republican parents were always afraid of

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 22 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Afraid of, or confessing a desire to inflict upon others?

[–] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago

They are so mentally gone and isolated I truly dont think they believe anything weird is going on, besides from they’re usual distrust of the government and being happy “the dangerous criminals” are in prison.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

"if we want to do it the other side surely wants to do it to us!" Lol

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 53 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

“ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien. ICE using a mobile biometrics app in ways its developers at CBP never intended or tested is a frightening, repugnant, and unconstitutional attack on Americans’ rights and freedoms.”

Now they have a way to effectively revoke someone's citizenship. All they have to do is change your status in the app to "noncitizen." No need to go through the court. Just have some code that lets them flag citizens as noncitizens. They want you gone? Just flag your identity in the app as a foreign national. The agents in the field then scan your face and it reports you as an illegal immigrant. You object and show them all your legal documents, but they've been told the app is infallible. You're taken to detention, and the guards there simply scan your face and report you as an illegal every time you protest. "The app is infallible" they repeat. Before you have a chance to challenge it in court, you've rotting in a prison camp in rural Liberia.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

The same app that has been plagued by facial recognition issues since its inception.

Fuck it, just don’t open the door. Ask for a real warrant signed by a judge and to see their ID, not a badge. Any chuckle fuck can buy a fake ICE badge for 50 bucks.

If they refuse or argue, call the cops and say there are masked men loitering on your property and you fear for your safety.

If they try to enter, well I’ll leave that up to each Individual here, but I know what my situation is and what I have to lose. I’m not going to some camp to get disappeared, and I’m not letting anyone else in my family go either.

[–] rossome@lemmy.ml 39 points 16 hours ago
[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 58 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

We should start to pull their masks off. Seriously. Get a crowd a people big enough to protect the ones pulling them off.

No law enforcement should be masked.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 18 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I'd be afraid to do it because they'd kill me. What do you propose

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

They would at the very least arrest you and charge you with assault on a law enforcement officer, a felony.

Unless you run really fast, then you get a free punisher facemask

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 12 hours ago

And some acute lead poisoning in the back

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[–] st3ph3n@midwest.social 98 points 19 hours ago (13 children)

Interesting how it is the cowards hiding behind their masks scanning peoples' faces.

[–] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 24 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

And the same ones who refused to wear face masks during Covid.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 107 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (20 children)

This reeks of bullshit by ICE, they can't verify citizenship from a face, because AFAIK there is no database of citizenship faces.

It is way more likely to be run against for instance criminal arrest photo databases.
There may be other segments they can take from like military and DMV, but they can't say that because they don't have a photo match that people aren't citizens.
It can only in a very limited percentage of cases confirm citizenship, and most of those will be people who have papers like a drivers license on them already.

This is probably part of the ongoing scare campaign, and serves very little practical purpose.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

AFAIK there is no database of citizenship faces

Well I mean, I do have a Certificate of Citizenship from N-600 that has a photo of me on it. USCIS probably has it in their system.

But that photo was when I was like 13 or something, idk how they would even match that face. I have a photo ID (not "Real ID" compliant tho) that does have a recent photo, so do they looked that up? Do they even have access to DMV records?

Or is it gonna be:

?

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Better check your papers are still legit, they have no problems throwing people out even on a minor technicality.
Or even better find somewhere else that isn't as much driven by hatred and sociopathy.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

Too late, my entire family is in the US, we have strong ties here.

My paternal grandfather, 3 aunts, cousins, friends of my mother, the entire 关系 (Guanxi) relationship network, its all here. PRC is just hopeless which is why we left in the first place. We have no relatives in Canada or Europe or Australia, so this is why we are all here. I no longer have PRC Citizenship either way since they automatically revoked it after gaining US citizenship, on top of that I criticized the CCP too much, the bridge is already burned. Literally all my family assets are in the US...

"Just move lol" is not a realistic solution for most people. I mean, its almost impossible to find a democratic country that will accept us.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 12 hours ago

Dude it doesn't matter if it's legitimate or not, it will just be used as a cudgel against "undesirables" including political opponents.

[–] lividweasel@lemmy.world 113 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

The “facial recognition” might just do this:

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Yup Caucasian features color good. The rest of ya'll are fucked.

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[–] diablexical@sh.itjust.works 9 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

What about the face scans through TSA and customs? I assumed those were going into every 3 letter agencies databases.

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 29 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

TSA has been scanning people's faces at security checkpoints for several years now. I've been opting out every time because I figured building a facial recognition database was the end goal.

they can't say that because they don't have a photo match that people aren't citizens.

Sure, sure, until they start doing it and no one stops them.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Opting out how? They have automatically-assembled video footage of you from the moment you stepped out of the vehicle you took to the airport up until the moment you walked off the jetway onto your flight.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 2 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Oh, that's true, but I'm talking about the direct face scan they do at the security line, which you have the right to opt out of.

There's still a big difference between security camera shots at a distance with random lighting and a specifically designed face scanning camera pointed directly at your face from two feet away with good lighting.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

"Opt Out" is basically just a "Pweeese don't scan my face 🥺", it doesn't have legal weight, I mean this admin doesn't really follow rules anymore.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 1 points 5 hours ago

No, in this case it literally means you don't stand in front of the face scanner and have your face scanned. I'm talking about going through the airport security line, where they have the face scanner device.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago

I wish I shared your optimism, but I’ve seen what cameras are capable of seeing from literal miles away, if enough money is spent. I guess it comes down to weather or not any of the uncountable trillions of dollars the pentagon won’t let you audit have been spent on cameras specifically meant to surreptitiously capture your face from across the room when you “opt out”.

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[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 35 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The ice issue exists to make palantir money.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 68 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

people need to start, on the street, trying to collect DNA off of ICE/CBP and storing it for future use

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[–] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 5 points 14 hours ago

lol gotta wear facial prosthetics now

[–] klemptor@startrek.website 40 points 22 hours ago

Jesus christ this is scary.

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