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He also said “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien. ICE using a mobile biometrics app in ways its developers at CBP never intended or tested is a frightening, repugnant, and unconstitutional attack on Americans’ rights and freedoms.”

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[–] st3ph3n@midwest.social 106 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Interesting how it is the cowards hiding behind their masks scanning peoples' faces.

[–] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And the same ones who refused to wear face masks during Covid.

[–] pageflight@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What would it take to scan/image through cloth masks?

[–] reev@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You joke but the answer is actually a OnePlus 8 Pro.

[–] pageflight@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Hmm, seems like it's just missing the low IR cutoff filter, so you could mod any dSLR to do the same. I can't tell if it sees through masks well enough for facial recognition though.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Facial recognition probably relies on visible wavelengths, but you could probably train a neural network to plausibly convert an IR image to visible if paired with a visible light image of the unmasked portion. While generated images on their own aren't useful for recognition, I think an IR image would probably give enough information to make the generation useful.

All face recognition is unreliable though, so no one, especially not a government agency, should use it as a single point of proof about the actual identity of the photographed person.

[–] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

TSA and Customs both scan your face instead of your ID/ passport now for adults. It seems like the government has confidence in it?

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago

They know who you claim to be and are checking whether your face matches that passport photo. They're not just letting anyone in who looks like one of the 330M Americans.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unlikely, without special enhancement. Those materials are not IR-transparent.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

@Arcka@midwest.social care to explain what’s inaccurate about this statement?

[–] Arcka@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago

Firstly, you should say please when you're asking for something.

The claim was made as if they know exactly the materials the thugs' gaiters are made of. Unless they are an insider of that group, it's way too presumptuous.

Common natural or synthetic fabrics aren't as effective at blocking modern facial recognition as anyone might assume.

Here's a couple examples of someone putting in a bit of effort to actually test both common and purpose-built products against facial recognition.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Nothing, it’s not magic. Anyone telling you otherwise is either a lying huckster or a colossal dumbass.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

they are would be vulnerable to the same AI face scan as thier VICTIMS, people would have to be bold to pull down thier masks and let cameras record them.