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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 129 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Time to repeat my topical story.

I worked for a startup that prided itself on being "data driven". They'd talk about how other startups were doing stupid things because they followed their feelings instead of data.

One day in one of those all hands meetings, the CEO was taking questions. Someone said, "Studies are showing that four day work weeks are more effective on like every metric. Can we look into that?"

The CEO said "No, we're not doing that ". Didn't read the linked studies. Didn't entertain it at all. His mind was made up, and the data was irrelevant.

Because he doesn't really care about data. He cares about feeling smart and irreverent. He cares about being seen as a cool disruptive startup guy who's going to grind his way to success.

The dishonesty makes me want to puke.

But you know what also makes me sick? All the sycophantic boot lickers that would gather round and tell him his every idea was great. The people who would work unpaid long hours to "get shit done". Bunch of fucking wormtongues who would sell out their coworkers for crumbs.

Maybe he was a real person once who really did care about data. But by the time I met him, he was an empty suit

[–] quetzaldilla@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lol, did we work at the same place?

"Empty suits" it's the realest statement.

I resigned my position because I couldn't take it anymore. I told leadership that I refuse to use my skills and talents for those who I do not respect, and they responded by saying that there was a lot of money on the line.

They can fucking keep it. Fucking ghouls.

[–] Hasherm0n@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

You just reminded me of a similar incident at a company I worked at. Larger than a startup, but still not huge. Same situation where it was a question at an all hands, the response from the CTO was simply that he had not seen that data and immediately moved on.

Funny thing was, the guy that asked the question wasn't even adding about a 32 hour work week, he just wanted to option to do 4 10s over 5 8s but they moved on from his question so fast they never gave him a chance to clarify.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 47 points 2 weeks ago

They know this. A schismed individual is a compliant employee.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I've been studying managers for much longer, and I've reached a very clear conclusion: they don't care.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Managers are playing the game. Rules vary from company to company but are broadly similar.

  • Take credit for your subordinates work as if you did it.

  • Make sure you have enough scapegoats to cover the fuckups.

[–] elderorb@feddit.nl 41 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Does anyone have a link to the actual study? The article doesn't seem to have it.

[–] NycterVyvver@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm having a tough time finding it. I found this citation from an article that appeared to reference the same four year study.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0248008

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

And to be clear, that study does not have those conclusions:

Participants slept 27 minutes longer (95% CI 9–51), got up 38 minutes later (95% CI 25–50), and did 50 fewer minutes (95% CI -69–-29) of light physical activity during COVID-19 restrictions. Additionally, participants engaged in more cycling but less swimming, team sports and boating or sailing. Participants consumed a lower percentage of energy from protein (-0.8, 95% CI -1.5–-0.1) and a greater percentage of energy from alcohol (0.9, 95% CI 0.2–1.7). There were no changes in weight or wellbeing. Overall, the effects of COVID-19 restrictions on lifestyle were small; however, their impact on health and wellbeing may accumulate over time.

[–] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What? You don't automatically trust "The Editorial Team's" assertion at the bottom that "This article is based on verified sources and supported by editorial technologies" is valid? I mean they linked to a few other articles - the fact they're only ones on their own site shouldn't matter...

🙄 "Trust me, bro!"

[–] NycterVyvver@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 37 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Sleep. Precious beautiful sleep. I can roll out of bed, rip a huge wet fart, log into Teams, pretend to care for 5 minutes, go right back to sleep (and still be able to smell that fart, thankfully), take a long nap, get up to take a big smooth dump, then put in the same 3 hours of actual work I'd do at the office, then play Sokoban all afternoon. All the while reducing resource usage.

This is the UBI/leisure society I was promised as a kid.

If you spend most of your day getting to and from work, then pretending to be busy at the office, you don't have time to think or be a threat to the billionaires by starting your own competing company/product.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Working in an office for 8 hours a day costs me an additional hour getting ready and commuting to to work, an hour away from home for lunch, an hour commuting back home and unwinding after work, turning 8 hours of paid labor into 11 hours of doing shit for other people.

Working at home claws back 15 hours a week.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I find it really weird that companies would want to pay the enormous cost of maintaining huge buildings full of people, that don't actually need to be there, in person. That just seems like a huge waste of money.

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Partly because people that control large companies that lease large office buildings have a lot of money to lose if office space were devalued as much as it should be.

Large commercial office spaces are one of the more historically stable investments that banks have money tied up in. The WFH shift of covid was a massive threat to those portfolios and freaked people out

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

This is the answer. And the C levels renting from these spaces are absolutely invested in the companies that lease the space.

I've seen it even more incestuous as well. CEO buys building for kids and lets other C levels get in on it. The company rents a space. Everyone at C level agrees it's the best space because they can get a sweetheart deal on rent for the company. Company pays for space, money flows back to C Suite and CEO doesn't have to pay for kids' lifestyles anymore.

There's a very nice office building like that down from me, except it's CEOs cousin or nephew or something. It came out when they started pushing for RTO as soon as they could.

Must be nice getting C level salary, a little extra in your bonus for getting a sweetheart rental deal, and passive income from being a partial owner of the building your company rents from.

[–] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago

Control freaks are afraid of not getting the full attention of their employees - especially the "overemployed" crowd holding down multiple jobs simultaneously while working from home.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 9 points 2 weeks ago

The money isn't the whole point. It's also about control and emotions. Management wants to feel a way and they'll pay for it. And/or make you pay for it

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[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Of course. Saving an hour of meaningless commute every day is a huge positive change.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

God I'd love it if my commute were only an hour.

It's 90-minutes each way if traffic cooperates. I put about 30k miles on my car in a given year.

My back was injured so they let me work from home yesterday, and other than the pain it was magical. I also got SOOO much done.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

This is the wild thing, most people work better at home but no no, must be in office and have performance reviews...

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Advancing tech was sold as a way to make all our lives better. Here is an instance of tech making our lives better, but instead companies dismiss it because the real purpose of tech for the capital class is control.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

You mean we had a worldwide event that proved to us that an incredible technology that allows us to work remotely could actually be used to work remotely, then our overlords chose to ignore that and now studies are proving what we already knew was true, is true?

Neat.

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It is 0850. I start at 0900. I am still in bed.

Working from home is great.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Its amazing but only because the alternative is so horrible, we really, really appreciate working from home.

I think its also having a strong effect om how we are as people. Office culture changes people, into scared little humans who self censor themselves to fit in, and use language they think makes them sound professional.

Its a waste of life. We are originals. We are unique personalities. Not clones, not resources to exploit.

If humanity survives capitalism, and its a big if, we will look back at this and wonder what we were thinking.

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[–] marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 weeks ago

Could’ve just asked.

[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I love the way any article which says remote work is good still has to use the word, "surprisingly" as often as possible. Nobody is surprised.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Facts don't matter anymore, get your ass to the office!

Mostly US companies

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Did the web site swap in a completely unrelated story about how swimming is good exercise for people over 55?

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[–] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Aaaaand See how people will deny scientific research for the sake of Control.

I'm fed Up on how much a workplace wants to Control anyones Life. And all the rights that have ever been fought for under a broad Attack every single day. And it kinda feels like we're losing the battle.

Unionize!

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

Which is why the ruling class has decided we can't have it...

[–] don@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago

Like they GAF. They've got the money & politicians in their pockets, so inconvenient truths are easily trodden over.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Me with ADHD who can't do shit from home, hiding in the back corner of the open space.

[–] Bo7a@piefed.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Isn't diversity neat? My ADHD pulls a gun on me if I get within 30 meters of an office.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Working from home also proved that the "middle-manager" was at best, a part-time job, maybe not necessary at all.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This has been correct for all of human history. I’m not sure why anyone would have assumed the invention of the cubicle would have changed this.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

It’s the shareholders who own our government that make money off commercial real estate that want everyone back at work. Shareholders don’t give a fuck about your wellbeing. They’re literally looting our government, destroying any and all global safety nets and installing facism worldwide quite publicly.

[–] Angelevo@feddit.nl 9 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

All about balance. Working from home is such an improvement from past times. Face to face contact with your peers should not be underestimated though - very valuable.

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[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Evidence shows performance holds or climbs when people choose flexible setups with solid support from managers and peers.

That's the part these chuckle-head RTO folks willfully ignore. In a virtual environment you have to lead differently, and since they're never the ones who are wrong it must be everyone else who is broken.

With the right leadership and support mechanisms virtual work absolutely can raise all boats. But that means you have to be willing to change. And open-mindedness is not typically an attribute selected for in corporate senior leaders.

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