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Honestly, I agree with @StillNoLeftLeft@hexbear.net

Ok fair enough, but I wouldn't have installed Linux if I had not seen it recommended.

I'm not a computer toucher, but I can follow written advice.

These sorts of posts always scold anyone giving out actual solutions just so being miserable can continue. This cultural thing almost has an end of history type vibe to it. It's also pretty hostile to divergent and often solution focused neurotypes.

Linux evangelism kinda makes sense, no one is spending billions on marketing and ads for it. I think Linux evangelists should ask about use cases first, instead of just posting a generic "use Linux".

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[–] Egonallanon@feddit.uk 67 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But for real accept the solution folks. It makes things better.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Maybe it's a work computer and it's not their choice

I wonder how many just commented without even reading.

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Asking for Linux at work can succeed too.

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[–] Soot@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Did they say the comic countered every single example? There were many that the comic is applicable to. And to be honest, even in many work contexts, there's room to "push" for Linux as a solution.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (9 children)

No, but if you have to use Windows for work, you should be able to complain about it.

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[–] Cat_Daddy@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

☝️ this right here. There's a reason Linux nerds always tell you to try Linux.

[–] KnilAdlez@hexbear.net 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're not a computer toucher

Yes you are. There is no one in the modern world who does not regularly use a computer. That's like saying "My car broke down, but I'm not a car toucher so I'm just going to complain instead of getting a new one." Or "I'm not an appliance toucher and I don't want to learn a new toaster so I'm just going to keep the one that smokes if it is set on 2."

This is not an excuse. Choosing to be ignorant is how you get mistakes like Windows 11 in the first place. So I will continue to proselytize Linux until people understand there is a better option and that they can demand better.

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This, I don't want to rag on anyone ranting, but at some point not learning a bit about the powerful devices that run many aspects of the world and your life and that you likely spend hours a day on is just incuriousness

I'm not saying everyone needs to be 1337 haxx0r assembly coder, but knowing basic terms(I'm sure a lot of people here have done tech support for older family and become incredibly frustrated, and heard stuff like 'what's a folder?' or referring to a browser as 'the internet') and how to trouble shoot should be common knowledge

[–] StillNoLeftLeft@hexbear.net 42 points 1 week ago

Ok fair enough, but I wouldn't have installed Linux if I had not seen it recommended.

I'm not a computer toucher, but I can follow written advice.

These sorts of posts always scold anyone giving out actual solutions just so being miserable can continue. This cultural thing almost has an end of history type vibe to it. It's also pretty hostile to divergent and often solution focused neurotypes.

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 42 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Folks, we got a Strigidae to use Linux, you can switch!

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[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 39 points 1 week ago

Seeing an increasing number of these "giving advice is rude, actually" takes

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 37 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Maybe they're not a computer toucher

yes, because this is an innate, likely genetic trait, you are born with, and not like, a skill you could acquire. It's like I call an electrician every time I have to replace a lightbulb, I'm just not an electricity toucher.

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

ppl almost seem proud to make ignorance a core part of their identity, like its an unalterable genetic trait or something.

Imagine a kid just being like: "nope, I could learn how to pee in the toilet, but I refuse to learn. I'm a kitchen-counter pisser and proud of it. Deal with it."

That's almost the level of proudly ignorant stubborness from windows users.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

ppl almost seem proud to make ignorance a core part of their identity, like its an unalterable genetic trait or something.

To me, this doesn't seem to be ignorance so much as just figuring you're done with learning. Be a great way to explain most of older people, too.

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not a water toucher, I need a plumber to turn the faucet on and off every time I need to wash my hands.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I uber eat literally every calorie on account of not being a kitchen toucher

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[–] The_Grinch@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They only think we're obnoxious for the same reasons they think vegans are obnoxious. Because we're right.

When I say "use linux" I'm not just saying "use linux", I'm saying "use the GPL FOSS ecosystem of software, stop supporting the massive tech companies making all of computing actively worse"

Especially since most of the time people aren't complaining about windows being accidentally bad, but about windows being actively hostile to the user in a way FOSS will never be, lacking the profit motive.

[–] homhom9000@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The issue with Linux is once you switch, you're so impressed and happy with the OS that you turn into an evangelist overnight.

But I agree it's not as simple to just switch.

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It's actually surprisingly easy to switch now if you don't have any super specific software that you need Windows for. Even then it's gotten easy to set up virtual windows containers to run those specific programs.

There's so many distros out there that everyone can find an existing, well maintained one, that comes with all the features they want. I know that people who aren't Windows power users find the switch to Linux virtually stress free and painless. Anyone who does technical stuff on Windows is usually able to pretty quickly transition to a POSIX shell and get the bonus of not having the bloated, broken registry system of Windows for configuration.

Adobe, ESRI, Autodesk (anything that's super integrated into the .NET windowing system) are really the only big ones that make switching hard for some people. Games and stuff basically just work now thanks to Proton and the fact that AI workloads are usually run on a Linux server so NVIDIA has had to make it easier to use their Linux drivers.

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (19 children)

Install Linux!

Okay which one.

Devolves into a 300 comment thread which is impossible to follow for the person who is just trying to use their computer for games and email"

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[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Of course a dipshit kkkracker dudebro would say this.

Tech treatlerites all the way down. Once they see their treats getting soggy they want to whine and complain without actually doing anything about it.

I would tell these people to shut the fuck up. If X doesnt work then we have to fucking make it work. Its building a computing revolution youre not going to just have to "believe" in it.

This whole "complaing about evangelizing" shit really pisses me the fuck off because its the same chud shit used against socialism, veganism and any other social revolution.

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Sometimes people want to complain about capitalism"

"Stop evangelizing Marxism we just want to complain"

See how annoying that sounds? Thats how all these treatlerites sound like.

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[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

smdh my dick head, heathens keep ignoring the glorious option that is TempleOS

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[–] blunder@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

I am not a computer toucher but I am also not a sucker who is going to subject his hard drive to auto ingestion by an LLM or have ads baked into his OS, so rather than upgrade to W11 I'm just saying fuck it and flashing my laptop with Mint, because someone told me one time it would be pretty easy to interact with. I'm sure I will figure it out, and if it sucks there are a bunch of other flavors to try.

sicko-tux

[–] Super_Lumalo@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

What am I supposed to respect this opinion? It's a wrong opinion so no, fuck you Nick torvalds-nvidia

I can tell them about it and not be obnoxious

[–] gayspacemarxist@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Sometimes I want to infodump about NixOS, we just gotta find a balance where you feel heard and also gain an encyclopedic knowledge of using functional programming to generate reproducible OS images based on Linux and systemd. Its only fair.

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[–] WrongOnTheInternet@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They're rolling out windows 11 at work

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (5 children)

they did at my work earlier this year. our systems are locked down as hell, so I don't get much ability to customize things or use tools to mitigate the raw experience of vanilla windows' design.

this did, however, give a big push to migrate my personal daily driver to bazzite Linux. because Win11 is a steaming pile of shit that is even worse than Win10, somehow. so i did that, and its been great.

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[–] MarxOverflow@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wonder if Microsoft and Apple paid for that post.

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[–] lurker_supreme@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)
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[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Broken Windows Fallacy kelly

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

do not suggest Linux

May I suggest IBM PC DOS (1981)?

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[–] NinaPasadena@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean sure it's annoying to have the same solution yelled at you all the time when all you really want is to complain a little...

But these people don't complain a little. Like if I hear the same complaints constantly I'm going to try and offer a solution. If only to shut you up. These types just want you to listen to them complain forever and if you get annoyed at them for never solving their own problems you're the asshole.

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 week ago

I misread the first paragraph and thought this was ironic given the bullshit arguments they gave

[–] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I literally put Linux on my work computer. Fire me.. Do it!

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[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Weird that he'd mention Windows and iOS as if they were equivalent. AFAIK there's no phone Linux, at least not one that people would actually want to use (Android doesn't count). Probably meant to say MacOS.

[–] Cat_Daddy@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

There is phone Linux, but it's still considered experimental compared to Android or iOS. Purism makes a phone and it runs their Ubuntu fork. There's also (used to be?) a Pine phone.

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[–] Soot@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Of course Android counts. It is Linux. So Linux already won the phone OS space (save for Apple) and there's no real reason to talk about it.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Nah, it's made by Google who are actively kneecapping it. Technically it counts, but in spirit it doesn't count to me. It's like…the PS4 runs on Linux too, but nobody celebrates a 100% locked down box as a triumph for Linux.

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[–] Super_Lumalo@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No it doesn't really count, just because it uses the kernel doesn't mean it has the same spirit as desktop GNU/Linux does

[–] BabyTurtles@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You really hit the nail on the head by including GNU. The philosophy of free software is embedded in the GNU components, Linux was basically just about making an OS kernel that's practical and useful, nothing more and nothing less.

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[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

It really doesn't feel like winning.

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