The military industrial complex could not exist without america giving it money, yet politicians are bribed and controlled by it in order to support it more. America supports the military industrial complex, and the military industrial complex takes steps to control politicians to keep the money flowing. It's a vicious cycle where the 2 are grafted together. Please ban me for being an anti-militaryite for saying this.
this post was submitted on 26 Oct 2025
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Is there some post or user that's causing these posts? I've not really seen a lot of posts saying the us is controlled by israel
The modlog usually has the answer in this sort of situation
That post is absolutely not peddling in zog conspiracies. AIPAC is the most powerful foreign lobby in the US. The mods are getting baited into being hasbara reactionaries again. Just like the whole 
fiasco.
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Nice struggle session you got going on here. Would be a shame if someone farted on it.
I big missing piece of this discussion is the historical Christian influence for Western control the Holy Land. In so many ways the Crusades never ended. It also sheds additional light on why Israel is held in special regard compared to other American and European imperial projects. I find it useful to see Israel through a Crusader State lens as it reveals parallels of the, often competing, influences that historically drove Western interest in that spot in particular.
If America withdrew support to Israel, this feedback loop would cease and Israel would be greatly diminished or completely collapse.
Absolutely true. I would add the rest of Europe and "The West", but we all know they are on board anyways. The Crusader States eroded and collapsed with the attenuating support of the West as well.
It's not as simple as your making it out to be. Both sides infleunce each other, it's just america is much more powerful so it has more infleunce on it.
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Based. Amerikkka is not the victim here.
EDIT: Seems I was incorrect about Amerikkka simply being Europe’s attack dog.
Europe is an interesting case, you can see a lot of splitting on America and wanting more domestic imperialist armies. I think their relationship with the USA is far more complex, the USA can do without Europe and vice versa if they really needed to. Some Marxists even argue we may see a tripolar world soon (global south with Russia and China at the helm, Europe, and the Anglosphere)
Israel will always be dependent on foreign powers.
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you'd think. I have a friend in mil intelligence here. The CIA is running the show. Now again our respective bourgeoisie interests aligns, for the most part.
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Chicken and eggs problem. Both are true. Their interests aligns, they don't need one to control the other.
Please don't fight about this.
It's an important distinction to make because actual antisemitic people like neo nazis argue that Israel and the Jewish elites are controlling the US through money or blackmail, and even among many average westerners they think Israel is pressuring the US and buying politicians, which they do, but Israel is a US vassel and can only do what it does with the material support of the west. This framing obscures the driving role of Western governments and helps launder their reputation.
So is saying Epstein had close ties to consider anti-semitic now? How about talking about the entity being a safe place for pedophiles to hide?
There's a simple distinction to be made here between Zionism's close affiliation with white supremacists and Jewish people generally. Please don't knee-jerk into doing propaganda job for them of making all discussions of anti-zionism painted as anti-semitic nazi shit. That's exactly why the close affiliation exists. This is the same thing they use Zelensky to cover for the Banderites.
In both cases the US facilitates both for its own interests, but the Ukrainian political influence in the US is much lesser, hence the lower priority of that conflict from US.