Israeli and Zionist influence in the USA is a purposeful choice of the American government. It allows the American government to circumvent many domestic and international laws by allowing Israeli firms to do the spying and dirty work for them. Israel is essentially a rogue state that is entirely controlled by the American intelligence apparatus (and therefore, American capital). This has created a feedback loop of constantly reinforcing settler colonialism and American economic extraction of the Middle East. If America withdrew support to Israel, this feedback loop would cease and Israel would be greatly diminished or completely collapse.

Saying Israel controls America is simply wrong, stop saying this. I will remove your post. ✌️

edit: altered title for clarification and to avoid nonsensical semantic arguments

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Based. Amerikkka is not the victim here.

EDIT: Seems I was incorrect about Amerikkka simply being Europe’s attack dog.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Europe is an interesting case, you can see a lot of splitting on America and wanting more domestic imperialist armies. I think their relationship with the USA is far more complex, the USA can do without Europe and vice versa if they really needed to. Some Marxists even argue we may see a tripolar world soon (global south with Russia and China at the helm, Europe, and the Anglosphere)

Israel will always be dependent on foreign powers.

[–] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago

European countries are literally full of us bases and spies. NASA has an information warfare centre close to the IXP in Frankfurt, the location of the european central bank. Europe isnt going to be a pol anytime soon.

[–] 10TH_OF_SEPTEMBER_CALL@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

you'd think. I have a friend in mil intelligence here. The CIA is running the show. Now again our respective bourgeoisie interests aligns, for the most part.

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

lol what? America has been offloading a lot of the consequences for their actions to Europe and making a killing doing it

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

America absolutely has the dominant position over Europe and it is not symmetrical to the relationship with Israel regardless. I've seen some people call it a protection racket, and I don't think that's exactly the right image but it's pretty close.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah, it's completely incorrect to call America the attack dog of Europe. Staggeringly incorrect. And calling "Israel" America's attack dog is an oversimplification at best. "Israel" has its own interests, it's not just some extension of American power in West Asia, even if that is one of the things it does.

[–] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Considering that Biden said he would blow up Nordstream 2, then it did and the german economy is dying, and despite that they are still paying us military personnell, I would say its a vassalage relationship.

Btw I got clowned on hard by HexBear when I said a few years ago that european countries were american vassals and that germany's relationship with russia would end the moment the americans stop allowing it. I think the retort back then was something along the lines of mutual interest or something. Funny how that changed.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

I don't remember a time when HB as a whole would have denied Europe being beneath America in the pecking order, but you get inconsistent answers to these things depending on who happens to be around at the time.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

Europe is a neocolony for US export markets.