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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

The correct word would have been "threatens"...

[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 111 points 1 week ago (6 children)

JFC don't. We don't even want to hear you. I would rather have AOC as a choice over you.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

AOC would be a stellar choice IMO, but 90% of the 1% would probably be against her, and that's about half of all the money in USA.
Social democracies in Scandinavia work DESPITE being undermined by the rich, so the political shrewdness and tenacity that would be required of her is insane. She would need a lot of backup from the population, and the population will need patience.

Because rebuilding the institutions in USA to their former standard is already a lot of work, but rebuilding them to the standard of a proper social democracy is something USA has never seen before, and will be very difficult.
For starters it requires USA to become an actual democracy instead of the dysfunctional democracy that USA many Americans praise as divine and sent from heaven. A multi party system is a must for true democracy, and until USA has at least 8 parties represented in congress, it is not really a functioning democracy at all.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Hey, keep away from AOC, we need her to take over Chuck's Senate seat. The rest of you can have her after a term or three, she'll still be plenty young enough to run, and maybe by then the country will be ready to vote for a woman for President....

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[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 76 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If the Democrats run the same platform/campaign as they did before she'll lose again.

Democrats REALLY need to get it through their thick skulls that the days of campaigning on working alongside people across the aisle are over. that the days of uniting a country are over. Remember, the other side has already KILLED democratic politicians. they even KILL people on their own side they don't agree with.

they need to take the position that while a certain group of people will never support them, they'll still work for them but not with them.

[–] AreaKode@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

It's almost like they're losing on purpose...

The off-the-books cash must flow.

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[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 65 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As someone who voted for her, she can fuck off.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Yes we don't need to know this, she flopped so hard against a convicted felon.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

She won't get the nomination. At most just maybe make some noise during the convention. Pretty sure the DNC has already decided to force Newsome though.

[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I completely wish she won last election... but there's no way we're taking a risk on her again.

I'm not a huge fan of Newsom, but at least he's been loudly attacking this current administration. Maybe she has too, but I don't hear from her in my news cycles.

Unless some progressive comes out and surprises everyone, Newsom will likely be my choice.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Newsom is an opportunistic snake and will say whatever he needs to to get elected and then do absolutely whatever he wants and none of it will help you. He is not better than Trump, he IS Trump, for a different audience with different motivations.

[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I think Newsom is like a Republican from the 70s, but comparing him to Trump like that is insane. We need to get out of this mess and a moderate is FAR better than anything the Republicans can push out.

I'll likely vote for the progressive in the primaries, but if Newsom is the candidate it's better than the alternatives.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Oh, he'll be moderate, you think? Good luck with that. You think they pulled him out of a time machine from the 70s? They didn't. He's a product of the current political situation, he's PART of the current political situation, he's in the same orbits as all these people and he's got the same people orbiting around him. If you think he's going to move things back to the center I don't think you understand how broken things really are. They've been broken for a long time, and they're not broken in a repairable way. He's not your champion, he's not going to save you. You think voting for him represents "trying" to fix the problems but you're just being led astray by organizations and powers that don't give a fuck about any of us and are not motivated by anything we care about.

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[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You mean the transphobe who destroys homeless people's meager possessions and platforms Nazis? Gross.

We don't need to settle for that sleazeoid. We can do way better.

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[–] butwhyishischinabook@piefed.social 39 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Holy fuck, listen I plugged my nose and voted for her last time just like I did with Hillary and Biden, but I am absolutely not voting for Harris a second time. If that happens, the only "enabler" is the Democratic establishment and I don't want to fucking hear "vote blue no matter who" after all this Mamdani shit. Stupid god damn fucking liberals, Jesus Christ.

/ rant

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[–] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 week ago

Please no. Someone else.

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Kamala, with all due respect, please get mental health treatment for your apparent psychopathy.

[–] comador@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Let's not and just say she did. Time to move on.

[–] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

who is in her circle telling her that this is a good idea? Does she not have any close friends who can speak plainly to her?

You would think having lost to an actual piece of shit would be enough of a reality check. Just stop... ffs. The best thing Kamala can do is fade into obscurity like Al Gore.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I will not vote again for Kamala Harris, nor for any other ordinary, boring, middle-of-the-road Democrat. "Vote blue no matter who" brought us to this point, where Democrats are so spineless and compromised, only a handful of elected Dems are willing to oppose fascism. Never again, for me. Give me a candidate worth voting for — that's the only way to get my vote.

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Let's remove the dictator first, then we can work on the Party. Harris is a bad choice either way.

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[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

You inspired people not to vote. Go away.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Please fuck off. Let Tim Walz run

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Fuck it, let her. She had to drop out of the 2020 primary before voting started because she was on track to lose every single state, and she clearly hasn't become more electable since then. All she could possibly do is siphon some votes and donor money off Newsom or Buttigieg. If that's what she wants to do, I fully support that.

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 21 points 1 week ago (6 children)
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[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago

I swear a few weeks ago she was leaving politics

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Ensure we have no chance of winning.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

This is coming from a Californian: I am skeptical, purely in terms of political advantage, that it is a good idea for the Democrats to run a California politician for the presidential slot in 2028 unless they are absolutely extraordinary. Two major potential Democratic 2028 nominees, Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris, are both out of California.

California is going to vote for the Democratic candidate regardless of who it is. If the Democrats nominate a dead orangutan, California will vote for it. It's like the Republicans nominating the governor of Utah. (Actually, my understanding is that the current governor of Utah is kind of a decent guy, has been one of the people tamping down on divisiveness, but still, Republicans just aren't getting a geographic benefit out of nominating him).

I'd be more inclined to think that someone like Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, would do well in the general election. She's managed to win over voters in the Midwest, which have been swing states in recent elections, which is what the Democrats might actually not win in 2028. Biden was out of Pennsylvania.

IIRC from past reading, predictions are that 2028 will see some states further in the southeast might becoming swing states; it's not as if the set of swing states are fixed. But I am confident that California will not be among the 2028 swing states short of a cataclysmic political upheaval in the next three years.

All that, of course, is entirely disregarding their policies.

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[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You guys don’t understand, she lost because people forgot how bad trump was, this time people will fall in line

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago
[–] _lilith@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

fucking delusional

[–] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Absolutely not, we really need a fresh pool of candidates, the Democratic elites need to be fired, all of them.

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[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (16 children)

I love how everybody is assuming that there will be a “next election”. I’m not sure that’s guaranteed. Except, maybe, in the way that Russia still has elections.

I mean, I know you can be too alarmist about things, but there’s a very clear and obvious direction of travel in the US right now.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

I hope she does just as well in her next primary, as she has in every other primary she's had to compete in

[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

She gone lose again. When she ran the first time she lost before primaries and when she was forced upon us last year she lost then too.

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[–] Garbagio@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago

Honestly? Fuck it. Corporate Dems are pushing Newsom hard; I'd love to see Kamala wrestle with being abandoned by everyone she gave up any morals for.

[–] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I will splinter the two party system into a thousand little pieces. Mark my words.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Her pivot away from a winning campaign and buy in on immigration lies by major media companies shows that she's an idiot. Sorry but I would take Hillary Clinton 2.0 before this dumbass. A lack of humanity on gaza is also a clear moral failure.

I think anyone without a policy proposal to end gerrymandering and make housing affordable has too little vision to take on the current moment. Anyone unwilling to sanction Israel is a moral failure.

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