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Because everyone hates moral philosophy professors, Chidi.

I suspect it's any university degree that doesn't have obvious "practical" benefits at this point (and even then).

Its because most of them don't really know what philosophy is, so someone being a master of it makes them feel very insecure - like they're cornered with a topic they know nothing about.

I wonder if its the age of people you're interacting with now, as you've gotten older yourself? My first degree was in philosophy, and I still read and discuss the subject when I get the chance. In my 20s lots of peers were curious or genuinely interested, and even if they were dismissive, it was often "what's the point of that?" and could get the interested if I started explaining a classic problem or thought experiment.

Older people however, were generally more disparaging and would openly scoff with "why would we need philosophy!" often followed by "[Science | religion | real life] tells us everything we need to know" depending on their particuar worldview.

At the time I just thought that was what that generation was like, but now I'm in my 40s and I feel like many peers are getting more and more like that. I can only speculate that middle-aged people are less curious and openminded, they've come to terms with the world as they see it and they're interested in getting on with things, not questioning the nature of epistemology or whatever. But the irony is that almost all the major problems that occupy so much of our time as a culture have massive philosophical aspects to them.

I think, because people think it's a useless degree, because there is no industry or marketable jobs not phil that's not from a university. Much like BA in psych or some Studies degree. There really isn't jobs outside of academia for phil. I was in a philosophy course in college like 10+ years, a instructor recently finished his PhD, and seems to love it. But he has no permanent position, so he jumps from college to college teaching it, I was following his LinkedIn profile. On the other side, its probably propaganda against philosophy as too much on one side of the political spectrum, right wingers scoff and it quite a lot. Also it includes religions as part of the studies, so people find it very uncomfortable that it contradicts their religious beliefs

I've known 3 philosophy majors that I know of.

One had a PhD and was absolutely insufferable. We were coworkers, and he'd often say falsehoods to try to be funny. Like, "Did you write that documentation I asked for?", and he'd say like "I spent all morning writing it as a series of haikus". I'm like, my guy, just answer the question. I'd ask him to stop being sarcastic so often in professional contexts and he'd be like "I'm not being sarcastic I'm being ironic." You knew what I meant, Ryan!

He would also use language to say things that were tEcHnIcAlLy true. Like, "I finished that task (or 1 equals 1)", except he had more subtle ones.

Was it because he was a philosophy PhD? Probably not. Some of his annoying habits he tied back to philosophy stuff, but he was probably just an asshole. But that's who I think of (other than chidi)

The other one I knew was fine in a messy nihilist rich kid way. Fun at parties. Can't be friends.

And the last one is one of the nicest people I've ever met. Just thoughtful and patient and a really positive person.

I think it's cool! Congratulations on your two degrees. As to your question, I'm not sure why people would find it negative.

It contradicts their religion. Or at least they feel it does. Thinking about morality/existence/epistemology outside the framework of religion is an affront to Jesus... or something.

I'm sure OP knows this, but there are many branches of philosophy. On the epistemology side, there's usually more focus on meaning and knowledge. On ethics, focus on right and wrong. On logic, it's closer to math and science.

Many people think philosophy just means sophistry and arguing, but each branch has practical applications too. Some of my philosophy major friends ended up going for PhDs. The only career path there was writing and teaching. For those who didn't, it was to supplement some other degree.

There's a philosopher/history of philos on the bowling team I've just joined. I'm philospically inclined so I asked him if Descartes was ripping off Socrates' "I only know that I know nothing" which could be interpreted as "I doubt everything except my existence". It's a topic that came up the other day on Lemmy. He said no, Socrates was just saying he was wiser than everyone else because he wasn't deluded about his abilities.

I asked him about Descartes' relationship to solipsism reply: Descartes wasn't a solipsist because his god wouldn't deceive him like that, Descartes' god is real because of the ontological argument. Which one's that again?...

I kinda just felt like I was making him do his job...

Because religious people are raised with a flawed worldview that they can't waver from or they're going to hell and also made to feel extremely shameful about regular human emotions like curiosity and horniness

Because we hit peak philosophy with diogenes. Everything else is just tedious...

Most people assume they are the smartest person in the room and philosophers are well known to think they are smart so no one likes someone thinking they are smarter than you.