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[–] otter@lemmy.zip 50 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is very cute, but I feel the need to point this out for new parents that it is not a good idea. Co-sleeping is one of the proven factors that increases the risk of SIDS.

For reference: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sudden-infant-death-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20352800

[–] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'll plug some work done by La Leche League, a non-profit that provides resources for breastfeeding mothers. Now, this resource is for babies who are entirely breastfed - no bottles whatsoever - so it's not for everyone unfortunately.

Their research has shown seven factors that, if addressed, can reduce the risk of SIDS in co-sleeping arrangements to be equal to modern safe sleep arrangements. https://llli.org/news/the-safe-sleep-seven/

I would also encourage people to read Cribsheet, which provides a fantastic deep dive into the specifics of SIDS risk. Understanding more about SIDS, and learning why safe sleep guidance exist, put my mind at ease as a new parent.

[–] otter@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

Interesting. I'll have to take some time to see if I can get my hands on the reference material.

A bedside bassinet worked well for me and my wife when our son was needing consistent night feeds, but every situation and baby is different.

[–] Tommelot@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Whoop whoop, that's the sound of the breast feeding police!

Fact is that most of this is, at best, pseudo science and shouldn't be spread. There's nothing wrong with breast feeding, but it's treated like a religion.

Correlating breast feeding with SIDS is some ol' bullshit. Be better. link

[–] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'll agree that there's a lot of conflicting information when it comes to parenting, it's called the mommy wars for a reason. But, I'll disagree with you that I provides pseudoscience. I'll direct you specifically to references 11 through 13 in the link I provided. They are dated, but peer-reviewed.

I'm also confused by your link, it appears to be a meta-analysis which "found ample evidence that both breastfeeding and [pacifier] use reduced the risk of SIDS."

Overall, I like Cribsheet's stance again - the best baby is a fed baby, the difference between a breastfed baby and a formula-fed baby are very minor and do not result in any persistent, dramatic differences.

[–] Tommelot@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Odds ratio in your research is tiny, and the paper I linked shows that a pacifier has the same effect. You're ignoring the underlying reasons (such as lighter sleeping) and just looking at poor conclusions of research as though it's fact.

The ample evidence is the correlation, which is weak. If you think that pacifiers and breastfeeding both reduce risk of SIDS, then logically it's a phenomenon of an underlying driver and not breastfeeding per se. That's correlation, not causation.

[–] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago

Ah, the old effect size vs significance issue, thanks for clarifying. I perused the link you sent, I didn't do a deep dive. The authors could have used more precise language.

Here's a second paper from 2017, https://eprints.gla.ac.uk/151483/1/151483.pdf , which looks at duration of breastfeeding and SIDS. Not sure if you've come across it, but I was surprised to see the potential protective factors don't begin until breastfeeding has gone on for at least 2 months.

Unfortunately I think the odds that we get a randomized clinical trial looking at breast vs formula are low - I didn't find one in my brief Google Scholar search, but I'm also not a pediatrician.

But, ultimately, the first link i provided includes breastfeeding as part of a larger suite of recommendations for co-sleeping that, if all are followed, bring the risk of SIDS down to a comparable rate with modern safe sleep recommendations.

[–] TellusChaosovich@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This could be an automated reply based on keywords in your comment. If so, then I imagine the bot was likely meant to argue with anyone who said breastfeeding increased SIDS risk.

As a FTM this year, I am so tired of the mom police saying everything is dangerous without really understanding the contributing factors to go with the risk, and without considering the magnitude of the risk. Yesterday I saw a lady getting corrected online about babywearing while toe deep on the edge of a creek because she might fall in the shallow water and her baby would drown.

[–] Tommelot@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Or it could not be a bot, but a parent who actually read up on the topic when his kid was born... Your call, really.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Basically “you’re gonna roll over or strangle your baby in its sleep because it doesn’t have the strength OR noise making capacity to wake you when you’re strangling it”

[–] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Surprisingly, that's not the entire story of SIDS - but it is one of the biggest contributing factors to why co-sleeping can be unsafe. It's also why alcohol consumption dramatically increases the dangers.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

I know it isn’t the ENTIRE story but it is exceptionally common.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well that's not true. My kids were loud as hell and I wake up. We only co slept with our middle son. He was just so needy and refused to sleep in his own bed. We wake up to him in the bed. Wasn't until his younger brother was born before he stopped. Luckily the new baby had no issues sleeping in his own bed.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago

You’re obviously misunderstanding what is being said.

If you roll over in your bed and into an infant it will not be loud enough or strong enough (often times, enough that we know this is a problem) to wake a full grown adult.

That’s what is being said.

You don’t have to like the stats, but you can’t pretend they aren’t real.

[–] pigup@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Dad I think something is wrong with your head, it's really big

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Dude's noggin is a wrecking ball

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Reading this while sleeping with my youngest, but I'm on the feet part of the bed sleeping transversally because he randomly spin-kicks during the night.

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

You're still on the edge, guy.

[–] t_berium@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

In Germany, we call the gap the 'visitors' crack' and the special cushion that can be placed there the 'love bridge'.

[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 4 points 1 week ago

That is a comically large head. So large that I can't take anything seriously.

[–] viking@infosec.pub -1 points 1 week ago

How is ruined sleep wholesome?