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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 23 minutes ago (1 children)

That's dumb. Houses I recall from childhood in the '80s were filled with books. Encyclopedias for kids, books about animals, history, etc. Libraries were a walk away. Schools had libraries (and in my case, the librarian looked just like Janet from Three's Company and built the same. I was at the library a lot.). TV had plenty of educational stuff.

And how's the newfangled Google knowledge world panning out so far? Lots of people getting informed?

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 minutes ago

you mean houses you go to now aren't filled with books? I don't know anyone who doesn't have at least a small book shelf.

[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 1 points 40 minutes ago

When I was introduced to Google, my relatives were using it to look up video game cheat codes. I think we even looked up walk through for Driver. That tutorial was absurdly fucking difficult. A group of like 10 people couldn’t complete it for hours.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

You had... a dictionary at home, maybe an encyclopedia, but if you didn't you could call a librarian and ask them if they had any reference on any topic. It took minutes when they were opened rather than seconds any time but... no ads, no tracking, serendipity yet no distraction, was it actually worst then?

[–] wowleak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 50 minutes ago

Call for minutes!? That was expensive and in my small town everyone would know what i was searching for in no time.

Assuming you lived in a place with access to a library like you mentioned, that is. For me, libraries were a once a month thing growing up.

[–] DiskCrasher@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago

Encyclopedia Britannica was the answer.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 9 hours ago

I really wish this just said life before the internet.

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 18 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

All you needed to do was get up off your arse, travel to a library, (business hours only), and dig through a card catalog for outdated information on the subject you were interested in. Bonus difficulty: Needing to wait a week for your library to get the outdated book you needed because it was in a different town.

Today all information is available at any time-- 24/7365. Bonus difficulty: Sorting through all the AI bullshit to glean the correct information on a subject you know very little about.

[–] Capybara_mdp@reddthat.com 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Y’all heard of librarians right? They do a little more than stack books. Most are accredited professional researchers who can find what you’re looking for, or try to get it for you.

Talk to more humans and kindly please support your local libraries.

[–] Redex68@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I mean I'm not gonna go ask a librarian how big of a laser I'd need to destroy the moon or why "1"+" 1" is "11" but "1"-" 1" is 0 in JavaScript

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 11 minutes ago)

I'd appreciate those questions as a librarian. Problem is finding a publisher who was willing to print that information.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

And you still have to go to a university library if you want any scientific papers and research knowledge, because most of it is behind a paywall and only universities can afford to subscribe to the journals.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago

Don’t you know the Dewey decimal system?

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 20 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

How to say you're young without saying you're young, lol. Some people, boomers even, remember a time before Google existed and people used other search engines.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

I'd askjeeves all sorts of things. Or hotbot. Or yahoo. I think MSN even had one. I think the term Google is the same as Bandaid at this point, and synonymous with Internet search.

I appreciate the sentiment though. Did many research papers in school where it was go to library, get books, quote them, place citation in bibliography. I enter high school in 2001 and Wikipedia is a thing, and that was that. We had been "allowed" to cite websites at that point, and while Wikipedia was off limits, some of us would just jump down the wiki article to it's citations and use those.

But yeah, I remember the days of writing papers in a library, that or using Encarta. Encyclopedia Brittanica or Encarta.

[–] jrs100000@lemmy.world 14 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

And before that we had tiny wikipedia's written on paper.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 3 points 15 hours ago

Or you could ask that one friend

[–] ragingHungryPanda@lemmy.zip 104 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)
[–] tal@lemmy.today 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I mean, the bar to go get a reference book to look something up is significantly higher than "pull my smartphone out of my pocket and tap a few things in".

Here's an article from 1945 on what the future of information access might look like.

https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/flashbks/computer/bushf.htm

The Atlantic Monthly | July 1945

"As We May Think"

by Vannevar Bush

Eighty years ago, the stuff that was science fiction to the people working on the cutting edge of technology looks pretty unremarkable, even absurdly conservative, to us in 2025:

Like dry photography, microphotography still has a long way to go. The basic scheme of reducing the size of the record, and examining it by projection rather than directly, has possibilities too great to be ignored. The combination of optical projection and photographic reduction is already producing some results in microfilm for scholarly purposes, and the potentialities are highly suggestive. Today, with microfilm, reductions by a linear factor of 20 can be employed and still produce full clarity when the material is re-enlarged for examination. The limits are set by the graininess of the film, the excellence of the optical system, and the efficiency of the light sources employed. All of these are rapidly improving.

Assume a linear ratio of 100 for future use. Consider film of the same thickness as paper, although thinner film will certainly be usable. Even under these conditions there would be a total factor of 10,000 between the bulk of the ordinary record on books, and its microfilm replica. The Encyclopoedia Britannica could be reduced to the volume of a matchbox. A library of a million volumes could be compressed into one end of a desk. If the human race has produced since the invention of movable type a total record, in the form of magazines, newspapers, books, tracts, advertising blurbs, correspondence, having a volume corresponding to a billion books, the whole affair, assembled and compressed, could be lugged off in a moving van. Mere compression, of course, is not enough; one needs not only to make and store a record but also be able to consult it, and this aspect of the matter comes later. Even the modern great library is not generally consulted; it is nibbled at by a few.

Compression is important, however, when it comes to costs. The material for the microfilm Britannica would cost a nickel, and it could be mailed anywhere for a cent. What would it cost to print a million copies? To print a sheet of newspaper, in a large edition, costs a small fraction of a cent. The entire material of the Britannica in reduced microfilm form would go on a sheet eight and one-half by eleven inches. Once it is available, with the photographic reproduction methods of the future, duplicates in large quantities could probably be turned out for a cent apiece beyond the cost of materials.

If the user wishes to consult a certain book, he taps its code on the keyboard, and the title page of the book promptly appears before him, projected onto one of his viewing positions. Frequently-used codes are mnemonic, so that he seldom consults his code book; but when he does, a single tap of a key projects it for his use. Moreover, he has supplemental levers. On deflecting one of these levers to the right he runs through the book before him, each page in turn being projected at a speed which just allows a recognizing glance at each. If he deflects it further to the right, he steps through the book 10 pages at a time; still further at 100 pages at a time. Deflection to the left gives him the same control backwards.

A special button transfers him immediately to the first page of the index. Any given book of his library can thus be called up and consulted with far greater facility than if it were taken from a shelf. As he has several projection positions, he can leave one item in position while he calls up another. He can add marginal notes and comments, taking advantage of one possible type of dry photography, and it could even be arranged so that he can do this by a stylus scheme, such as is now employed in the telautograph seen in railroad waiting rooms, just as though he had the physical page before him.

[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago

Amusingly, in a way, we are using microphotography (photolithography) to produce images on the scale of hundreds of atoms. Then we stack those images to achieve dense structures of data that can be read out electronically (flash chips).
Making a rom chip using this technology would be a lot like that encyclopedia britannica in a matchbox, except more around the size of a grain of dust. Of course we tend to make ram instead, where information is only encoded after the photolithography is done creating the structure.

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Thinking that people couldn't find things out before google is naive and just sets you up to believe whatever shit google tells you.

Getting misinformation from the internet is worse than not being able to find the information, and far worse than getting valid information you have to look up in a book/publication.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 1 points 8 hours ago

Yeah! I mean, we had Alta Vista!

[–] Sprucie@feddit.uk 2 points 11 hours ago

I think there used to be a kind of mystery about things though, you could debate in a pub for hours on a subject where now there's a definitive answer available within seconds. That delay in accessing information was fun and led to all sorts of debates and wonder. I remember when the original Pokémon games came out on Gameboy and there were all sorts of rumours flying around about how to get certain Pokémon, missingno etc. you never knew what was real or not until you saw it with your own eyes. Now you go on Google/YouTube and someone's already done an hour long deep dive to prove/debunk everything. I think having all of this information at our fingertips has actually stunted our curiosity and drive to explore and experiment

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

How about the misinformation from Uncle Mike who overheard your question and confidently spews you some bullshit? If it's not in the encyclopedia upstairs, most of the questions that cross your mind went unanswered or you took everyone at their word.

Sure, you write down important questions and topics, but this post doesn't seem to be about that.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Or you didn't take everyone at their word.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Yeah this post is a joke and you're supposed to chuckle at it, but in Lemmy fashion, here we are dissecting the shit out of it. But hey, it's about discussion, I guess, and I'm certainly a part of it.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Yes and no, it was always technically possible to drive thirty minutes a way go to a library, find a book that hopefully has what you want in it, drive back read it over a weekend, drive back to the library drop off the book, return and waist ~3hrs of your life to Learn a factoid but the barrier to entry was much higher and esoteric knowledge was simply unobtainable unless you went to university. Radio and TV both helped tremendously but you were more subject to the opinions of the studio and politicians than you are now and you would still have to wait and hope something was relevant to the thing you don't understand, and even then most entertainment was not educational.

[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 16 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Or you had an encyclopedia and a variety of assorted reference books on your shelf at home. This is not really as much about information technology as it is about laziness and lack of curiosity. The same thing is a widespread phenomenon today, even with the internet.

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The problem with those home encyclopedias was they were mostly a decade or more out of date. And only provided a very limited amount of information. Generally only a few paragraphs or a page at best. Reference books suffered the same problems of not being current. Turns out books cost money and knowledge ain't cheap.

The only reference book that I own that is even remotely up to date is the last Machinery's Handbook I bought. And even that is multiple issues behind now.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

History doesn't go out of date. The speed of light doesn't go out of date. Sure, a lot of things happened since it was published so it doesn't have the latest stuff but that doesn't invalidate the information they have, and if a new regime decides to erase or rewrite parts of history you still have it in black and white.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

We moved often when I was a kid. Every time we moved to a new city, the first thing my mom did was take us to the library to get us our library cards. We looked forward to each trip to the library, browsing around and picking out books to check out. We weren't just there to look up a factoid, but we did learn facts about all kinds of subjects and loved reading the stories, so we developed our literacy and spelling skills without even knowing it. The time was well spent and fun, certainly not a waste.

I love being able to quickly look up a factoid online of course but that isn't a substitute for reading books.

[–] bacon_pdp@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Have you not ever been to a library?

Librarians are the best people to talk to about finding information about where and what is available for you to learn more.

Seriously get to a library and talk to them, they are wonderful.

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[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Motion to change it to "before Wikipedia", since that's not evil

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wikipedia is way better for learning shit than google anyway.

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] BeBopaLula@piefed.ca 16 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I seemed to have no issue back in the day finding what I needed. Just not as easy.

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[–] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Meanwhile in 2025:

  • User: ChatGPT, tell me about $OBSCURE_TOPIC.
  • ChatGPT: Sure, I will explain. You see, $CONFIDENT_EXPOSITION.
  • User: Hmmm. That doesn’t feel quite right, but I’m too lazy too fact check it. That’ll do.
[–] _core@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago

We're back to the confident misinformation that someone gave when asked about something they didn't know about. Only with more racism and less critical thinking/questioning

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[–] loomy@lemy.lol 6 points 23 hours ago

life in 2025 💥😵‍💫😵💀👻🔁

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