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I've read something on twitter about how apparently recently Iran finally used like one of their modern rockets and dealt major damage to Israel; apparently they were using their old, 20-30 year old missiles to overwhelm the iron dome and then after getting rid of Israel's iron dome, they'll use their newest tech.

Actually pretty well thought out.

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[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 16 hours ago

Yes, they also sent in 100-200 drones at first, as well as the older missiles.

The drones and older missiles get shot down, then they can locate where the Iron Dome and David's Sling batteries are. (They're mobile, literally just hitch them on a truck).

After they're located, they send in the better rockets to target them.

Which is why it's especially fucked how they're not protecting Palestinian (~~arab-israeli~~) neighborhoods with the batteries and are instead prioritizing the jewish neighborhoods.

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 70 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

My favorite video so far was the one from the rooftop lounge in Lebanon with the saxophonist and people dancing and filming the attack.

Edit: this one

https://altmedia.house/pictrs/image/2898a53b-d88d-46a3-ba4d-72103a9f42b1.mp4

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago

You know what's funny? After Israel spent the last two years celebrating exactly like this, you know they're going to claim this is somehow especially evil

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can't find it anymore but there is one from a while back where they are doing more or less the same while Beirut itself is being bombed. Like a bomb falls two blocks away and they just keep on partying. The Lebanese are built different.

[–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Years of videos and headlines like this have really started to get grating. Like those “heartwarming” stories about kids paying off each others’ lunch debt in America or whatever.

I don’t want to be “built different”. I want people to stop pointing at me when horrible shit keeps happening to (and around) us. The sax man looks cool, but like do you know how hard it is to get a good gig as a saxophonist here? My guy wants to eat good this week. He’s a professional. You need to have nerves of steel to survive.

My friends from around the world sent me the video over and over, wow you guys are so badass, as if half a city wasn’t razed to the ground by more munitions than an actual battle’s worth mere months ago. Maybe it’s badass to stare a killer in the face. But that shit wears on you.

If you run to your car and drive home when you see this shit in the sky and you’re the target you’re dead anyway. Of course we keep dancing. In moments like these we feel like we’d be better off dead anyway. I see shit in the sky all the time now. I only finally understood I had no faith when I saw drones getting shot out of the sky from the window of a plane, when I understood that for me, if this is it, this is fucking it. What the fuck else can I do in that moment.

I get that you’re saying something positive here, but I just want to literally not have a rapacious snarling serial killer pushing the cold metal of a Glock against my forehead for twenty fucking seconds of my life, I want to be known for who I am and not for the inescapable Russian roulette jigsaw trap I’m stuck in, that has to be reasonable, right? I’d love to hear about some horrible dystopian hell technology called “Dad is Here to See his Loving Kids❤️✨” and not immediately think fuck my life there isn’t a chance in hell I’m not in that database.

Addendum on “that shit wears on you”: seeing unhinged LinkedIn screenshots of rattled genocide fans bragging about working from home in the bunkers under their houses. Nothing says peace lovers like living in war infrastructure. My bunker is a bottle of gin and an eclectic mix of old Arabic songs and YouTube videos of two goofy South Australian men jerry rigging an old Fiat back to life. Fuck you.


On the topic of something you explicitly mentioned here. There’s some unpleasant but critical subtext about people dancing “two blocks away” from a man made Hell on earth. Some people believe that they are from the “good” ethnoreligious community and that they won’t get bombed, and that their “forbidden lovers” on the other side of the border are cleaning out the rabble to some extent. The shit I’ve heard people say... I lost friends this past year, and these friends I’ve lost are alive and well. Let’s put it like that.

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 4 points 15 hours ago

A fair and sobering reply. Be safe and be well.

That goes so fucking hard holy shit

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

tunes to kick back and enjoy the striking of the zionist entity to keytar

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

i need like an hour of this set, on loop for the rest of my life

[–] BrownMinusBlue@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Does anyone have the name of the song?

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I need it too, because it's a jam

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 30 points 1 day ago

Sicko Sax Jammin

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Iran seems to have developed a new method of defeating Israeli air defence sytem, just get them to fire at each other. Sorry don't know how to post twitter link, but there's a video of an Israeli missile defence system firing its missiles. It goes up but then quickly it comes back down and a huge explosion! lol

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago

Based Israeli tech doing the right thing

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think this was a one-off malfunction. I've only seen the one video you've mentioned but no other examples.

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 3 points 16 hours ago

yeah it was surely a malfunction, but the IRGC was trolling by releasing that statement about developing secret new strategy lol

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 day ago

Yeah this type of AD tends to produce misfires like that. Happened several times in Ukraine, even one where they hit a hospital with their own AD and blamed it on Russia.

Like a lot of reasons why you shouldn't put this shit near civilian infrastructure. IIRC Iron Dome, David Sling and Arrow systems are all mobile, but they have them parked in dense residential areas. Pretty much guaranteed to kill at least of a few of their own people, but then, who am I to tell zios not to bomb themselves?

[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 40 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, those videos where they show just one of the magazines and it's like miles of tunnels filled to the ceiling with missiles. They have an absurd stockpile. I've heard a lot of the old ones don't even have warheads so they just function as decoys. But every one of the Iron Dome missiles will be loaded with a warhead.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago

Western missile production is bonkers low. Not that it can't be ramped up, but they routinely run out.

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

They have an absurd stockpile.

I'm curious because I would have thought Israel would have a stockpile that was absurd compared to anything the world has ever known. The entity has the greater Satan, the greatest arms-maker the world will likely ever sustain, feeding them supplies. Which one has the greater supply?

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 10 points 22 hours ago

Afaik Israel mostly has a stockpile of absurdly expensive ammunition, and burns through it pretty fast whenever missiles start flying.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would have thought Israel would have a stockpile that was absurd compared to anything the world has ever known

You mean before or after they spent most of them slaughtering families in Gaza? They spent the vast majority of them raining them down for almost two years now; it's even become a point that America has to keep sending them more cause otherwise they're gonna run out. The amount of devastation they've applied, causing it to be compared to Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Vietnam all combined is what it looks like when they earnestly just run out their stockpiles. Iran on the other hand has clearly barely touched their own.

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

Yeah like, aside from that last sentence, no part of saying that doesn't feel heartbreaking.

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago

Most likely it is. The anti-missile munitions are more complicated and more expensive than the actual missiles. They have to be fairly sophisticated to essentially intercept a speeding bullet mid-air. They cost more and are slower to produce. It is easier to engineer and produce at scale missiles that hit a stationary target.

[–] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Belevie it or not north Korea, they manufacture something like 60 percent of the world's missiles and artillery, american, russian and Iranian production is not as good because they are libs. The best outcome for this war is one in wich Iran transitions to military socialism, if they do that then it's over. Some faction in the militia have been pushing for this, but the technocrats refuse.

[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"You WILL take this healthcare, and you WILL get free education!"

The news then explains how Iran is now oppressing people via free healthcare and education

[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 3 points 16 hours ago

THEY'RE ROUNDING UP SICK AND INJURED PEOPLE INTO THESE INSTITUTIONAL BUILDINGS TO DO MEDICAL PROCEDURES ON THEM!!! SOME OF THEM DIE IN THE PROCESS!!!! THEY EVEN CART THEM IN IN THESE LARGE VEHICLES WHERE THEY RESTRAIN THEM TO A BED AND HAVE AN OFFICIAL WATCHING THEM EVERY SECOND!!! THE TRUCKS HAVE FLASHING LIGHTS AND MAKE NOISES AS A WARNING TO LET OTHER PEOPLE KNOW THEY BETTER NOT GET SICK OR INJURED!!!!

[–] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You use militias to force the economy to focus on military production, ration some products, and temporarily suspend market mechanisms to ensure everyone has food, and basic necessities.

As the crisis ends, you switch to other economic activities, while still keeping aggregate demand high by investing in productive equipment, without the need for market mechanisms like loan financing. Untill you end up with infrastructure spending.

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 3 points 19 hours ago

Basically the Soviet model during WW2.

Ploughshares -> Swords (T-30/40s) -> Ploughshares + Swords

[–] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

BasicLli the problem with Iran's economy is that instability is preventing their capitalists to invest and their people from consuming more, so someone else has to do the investing, in this case the militias persuade the private firms to do their part for a little while.

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Best scenario is that Iran has more missiles than Israel have interceptors. That should be the case because Iran has been really concentrating on building up their missile stock. Unfortunately they had to neglect their airforce and air defence. Seems like Israel can fly their jets pretty freely inside Iran trying to take out Iranian missile launchers. So far it doesn't seem too successful for Israel since we are still seeing missile raining down on Tel Aviv and Haifa.

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I've heard Iran has possibly hundreds of thousands of ballistic missiles of varying types. Sure, some of those are going to be old. Operation True promise 1 & 2 mostly used ~30 year old ballistic missiles with a few hypersonics (Fattah-1's IIRC) thrown in for fair warning. Many of the 30 year old missiles penetrated Shitraeli AD. AD batteries aren't magic, and they have a much lower accuracy and success rate than you might think. I think I read reports that the "glorious" Patriot batteries had a per-rocket real-world accuracy of 9-11%, and the US can only produce a handful of those a year. In Ukraine a single Russian drone can cost millions to shoot down. Iran can thow all kinds of cheap drones and old rockets without warheads at the Shitraeli AD to deplete them and leave them exposed.

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/true-promise-3-iran-responds-with

In the first video in that link can see how with the hypersonics, the multi-layered Iron Dome / Sling / Arrow systems have almost no chance of interception in the last stage. Iran doesn't necessarily need to just overwhelm in numbers, but newer systems are virtually unstoppable by the "Iron Dome".

Seems like Israel can fly their jets pretty freely inside Iran trying to take out Iranian missile launchers.

Yeah, those reports seem to be fake and used as psychological warfare to try to scare Iranians during the first wave. Reports on the ground say Iran mostly has control of their airspace.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Israel cannot currently fly jets within Iran proper, however they can hit targets in Iran with stand-off strikes from Iraq and elsewhere.

This is I believe the official position of the Iranian government at the moment.

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

The strikes in Iran currently appear to be surface fired ATGMs and drones from with Iran itself. There is a video of a Iranian motorcycle cop in a high speed chase with a van. Presumably it is driven by Israeli operatives. The cop is shooting at the van like a scene out of GTA. Another of Iranian cops shooting down a Israeli drone with small arms fire.

There are also videos of trucks being used to smuggle in explosive devices and drone parts and another where Iranian intelligence is documenting a drone manufacturing warehouse they discovered within Iran.

Also at least two videos circulating where you can clearly see a missile launched from the ground at a nearby target. The Israelis have got some serious ground operations happening there and the Iranians are running around trying to catch them. Official statement from an Iranian government source as well warning all Iranian citizens to report any home rentals to foreign nationals in the last few months.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago

I saw a post recently where apparently Iran revealed they'd been using decoys to lure attacks to worthless targets (people even point out about the videos of those attacks that you don't see secondary explosions because Iran wasn't keeping their missiles there); they had radars (or something) giving off pulses to draw Israel to targets of Iran's choosing

[–] Hermes@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Isn't the point of the newer tech that it can evade interception? Not much point in using a Fattah 2 over an older missile if there is no AD to deal with.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago

larger payload, faster kinetic impact, longer range, increased accuracy

[–] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago

It's presicion and penetration, you can hit accurately, and hit bunkers.