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[–] cloudless@feddit.uk 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The thumbnail picture is Japan, not China

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago

Just don't focus on the details

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 13 points 2 years ago

A truly universal basic income would indeed be surprising.

Something tells me the universality of such a system will be tied to social credit or some other measurement system to weed out the "bad thought" having Chinese folks.

[–] Lugh 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It isn't mentioned in this article, but Chinese planning is very specific about the idea of robots taking over the economy and replacing the shrinking number of humans. Another reason for thinking UBI might work there first.

[–] CanadaPlus 4 points 2 years ago

They're not really likely to pass the West any time soon on that, though. We're still king when it comes to high tech and innovation, just as a byproduct of accumulated institutional knowledge and an economic system that prioritises fostering innovation over almost all else.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

China is not a democracy. It wise to think about that before declaring them the future.

[–] CanadaPlus 7 points 2 years ago

I certainly don't want them to be the future, anyway. I'm pretty big on things like equality and rule for the interest of the people.

[–] stembolts@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The alternative is for a democratic nations to step forward and lead. The United States, and other western nations, are hamstrung by corporate-purchased-politicians who will sabatoge efforts to step forward.

Those corporations are giving China the head start.

As a westerner, I am given the choice of corporate indentured servitude, or cheering for China. I would love a world where the west can lead, but apparently we don't live in that world.

The lesser of evils seems to be to embrace China's global leadership.

Never thought I'd take this stance, but here we are. No one else is helping as my generation drowns in debt.

TLDR, The west is sabatoging itself.

[–] benjhm@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Article has some logic that makes sense, as does UBI in general.
However currently China is still far away from this, welfare is low compared to most european countries, lack of reliable welfare has contributed to their massive housing bubble, now deflating. Also, I read that Xi J is anti-welfare.

[–] CanadaPlus 1 points 2 years ago

Also, I read that Xi J is anti-welfare.

Really? He's interventionist in general, so that surprises me.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I love the silence of the tankies who can't figure out how to twist this to fit within their wilfully ignorant insistence that China is a communist country lol...