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submitted 19 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) by doomsdayrs@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml
 

Like y'all keep posting about it, praising it, giving it free advertisement, and what not.

But the dev is a fascist, the discord server is a fascist bar, and the project thus is fascist.

I've met people who were harassed, I browsed through now deleted messages of Vaxry using slurrs and more.

So I wonder is if the people who post constantly about it know and are complicit, or just don't know and would act otherwise?

It gets tiring to see the project be given "fame" when I know the roots of the plants are founded in toxicity & abuse.

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[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 2 points 57 minutes ago

Discord fails to include a libre software license text file. We do not control it, anti-libre software.

Im looking forward to the full release of cosmic as I dont want to keep using hyprland. Sadly theming is incomplete and it'll be a while before good themes get released.

[–] Samsy@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Well my laptop is facist hyprland and I am writing on tankie Lemmy.

And don't give a f*ck about it. Because it's open source. And devs can do whatever they want, the same as users can do what they want.

If someone is unhappy with the devs, fork it and do your own stuff with it. Nobody cares.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 3 hours ago

Don't say nobody cares. I care. Fuck fascists.

[–] theblips@lemm.ee 57 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

The main reason why I use open source is precisely because I don't need or want to worry about this crap. The software is as much property of humanity as it is of the creator, it is basically just knowledge

[–] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

Absolutely this. Too many people think that because you use some open source software from some fascist dev that "obviously you're fascist, too".

Bigotry: obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

Hating on Hyprland users that know what's going on but still really like the software fits this definition. Plus, isn't the biggest kick in the face having the exact people you hate use and enjoy your software?

This is exactly why I switched from PolyMC to Prism Launcher. The PolyMC dev was a fascist prick and an anti-gay/trans activist. His fear was that PolyMC was "going to get taken over by the gays due to the name having Poly in it (as in polysexual)", so he started banning all the devs who disagreed with him or even made a joke about it.

Those devs forked the project and, to rub salt in the wound, made the icon rainbow. But guess what? Its the same software. They forked it because they still liked it and wanted to use it. The software itself had absolutely nothing to do with the dev.

[–] TrivialBetaState@sopuli.xyz 12 points 7 hours ago

This! If it is Free Software, it respects everyone's freedom. If I don't like the developer, I will not buy them a coffee. If I don't like the software practices of the developer, a fork is in order (e.g. Oracle with OpenOffice --> LibreOffice)

[–] pathief@lemmy.world 39 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Honestly I just stopped caring about developer's personalities or political views. If you only use products made by nice guys who share your political views you won't use anything in your life. Not even a phone.

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[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

After reading a lot of the material I am not convinced the hyprland dev can reasonably be called a "fascist".

It's an interesting story, though.

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[–] bloup@lemmy.sdf.org 72 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (12 children)

I think it’s really funny how in proprietary software, if you download stuff without asking, you’re presumed to have economically harmed a business. But in free and open source software, if you download stuff without asking, you’re presumed to have economically benefited the random individual that made the project.

[–] embed_me@programming.dev 2 points 5 hours ago

It's because proprietary software actually has value

(jk, I'm one of us)

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[–] superkret@feddit.org 28 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Repeat after me:

"You do not support a project or its dev in any way by just using the software you got for free."

In fact, unless you donate, advertize or contribute to the project, you're a net drain on its resources.

[–] Corngood@lemmy.ml 17 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I don't disagree exactly, but I'd argue that you're contributing to the project even if you're just reporting bugs or helping others with it on e.g. Lemmy.

I could see avoiding all of that pragmatically in order to use some obscure, critical software, but not something you use every day and for which there are reasonable alternatives.

[–] simontherockjohnson@lemmy.ml 32 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Vaxry is not a very smart guy. He originally got a wrist slap by FDO saying don't do your toxic shit here. Then he followed it up by going postal on the FDO mailing list. Then he put up a blog post where he was like like "SJWs are coming for me".

https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-inclusiveActivists

The entire argument is that you can't make an exclusionary space for people (no definition of what that means) but you should be able to call them slurs. Who would want anything to do with him? He should have gone full tilt and made a list of slurs you should be allowed to say beyond just arguing for the R-slur. That would have really convinced people he's not an extremely toxic right wing weirdo.

https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity

This was his non-apology where he says "lets be real" a lot which is a common way of just ignoring a criticism and then he follows it up with, I should have banned that user instead of doing what I did.

Asking for professionalism in the OSS community is not a huge deal. It's also quite literally not even about the code AFAIR Drew Devault is still taking Vaxry's patches. He just doesn't want him in the community starting shit with people.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 22 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

The "paradox of tolerance" is a concept I love to bring up time and time again.

No tolerance for the intolerant, lest intolerants take over tolerant spaces and turn them intolerant.

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[–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 83 points 19 hours ago (9 children)

I don't really care, the Lemmy devs also got some funky political opinions but I'm still here

at the end of the day software is software and this stuff is all free and open source anyway

[–] amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 44 points 19 hours ago

Fr, you can disagree with someone and still make use of the software they create. Especially because you're not even directly supporting them monetarily.

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[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 58 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

It is a quandary.

I would not support the project monetarily because I would not want to fund the primary persons behind it.

But Hyprland is FOSS is it not? Someone could fork the project to resolve the issue you are describing.

If this does not resolve the issue in your opinion (as you seem to have concerns with the "roots" of the project), and if we go with that logic, we should be just as opposed to using the modern "Jerry" gas can as it was a Nazi invention originally.

Both good and evil people invent things - whether the thing that is invented is itself reflective or could be considered supportive of the inventors ideals varies. Nazi's are terrible and I don't want to support them, but at the same time I think that it is good and useful to be able to safely and effectively transport gas if needed, and I'm not so certain that function supports Nazi ideals. If I purchased the gas can from a Nazi, then it would, but nothing is being purchased in the case of Hyprland as far as I am aware.

I don't know a tonne about Hyprland as a thing however, so my decision on whether or not to use it may also vary.

In short, you can have massive, entirely valid criticisms of the evil deeds of a person, but that does not necessarily fault everything they invent or touch, even if we would like it to. This is the crux of the Composition/Division logical fallacy if I am not mistaken, which is where we make an assumption that what is true about part of something must be applied to the rest of it without exception.

In this instance, the inventor may be evil but it does not automatically mean that their inventions are inherently evil.

If there are criticisms of Hyprland, the software itself - then it is a different matter.

[–] SockOlm@hexbear.net 26 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

But Hyprland is FOSS is it not? Someone could fork the project to resolve the issue you are describing.

I feel like this is kind of a misnomer about how FOSS software gets developed. for one the Vaxry guy is basically the only active dev of Hyprland and if you look at for example the GitHub contribution breakdown he has worked much more on Hyprland stuff than all the other contributors combined. Since this kind of work is essentially free labor for no return simply forking the project and continuing Hyprland without him is infeasible IMO - other Wayland compositors already exist, like sway or niri and some even try to fill the same niche as Hyprland like swayfx (i.e. eye candy effects and smooth animations), so I don't really see a reason to fork Hyprland when those other compositors can do similar things while already being in active development.

If this does not resolve the issue in your opinion (as you seem to have concerns with the "roots" of the project), and if we go with that logic, we should be just as opposed to using the modern "Jerry" gas can as it was a Nazi invention originally.

Hyprland is actively being developed by a fascist and that fascist is actively being platformed within the FOSS community through it. I think that is also what OP is trying to say, it doesn't matter if Hyprland is "good" or "bad" software.

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[–] drspod@lemmy.ml 44 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I thought this was going to be a new article or news, but it's from April 9, 2024.

I think this situation has been picked over and rehashed now to the point where anyone who was going to change their behaviour will have already done so. If there is no update on the situation then all I see is you dragging up drama from a year ago.

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[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 25 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (5 children)

I don't care, i care for the tech. I don't need to make friends with the devs of the tech nor give them my money.

They have different political views than me, yes. Does it affect the tech they develop? Not in my opinion.

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[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 12 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Fuck hyprland

All my homies hate hyprland

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 22 points 18 hours ago

And on that note, I condemn in the harshest terms the response from communities like /r/linux on the subject. The vile harassment and hate directed at the FDO officer in question is obscene and completely unjustifiable. I don’t care what window manager or desktop environment you use – this kind of behavior is completely uncalled for. I expect better.

reddit-logo moment

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 23 points 18 hours ago
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