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[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 15 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

A million seconds is 11.5 days. A billion seconds is 31.7 years.

Just a good way to ground an unimaginable number in something more familiar and drive home how ridiculous having a billion dollars is. I hear we're on track for our first batch of trillionaires this decade.

A trillion seconds is 31,688 years.

[–] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.org 3 points 1 hour ago

This is actually great! Welcoming your example to my now collection of two, alongside Wealth, shown to scale.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yes there is Luigi showed us the way.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 23 minutes ago* (last edited 23 minutes ago)

Brian Thompson was just a poor millionaire though. Perhaps one of the reasons why he was so easy to get.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 133 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

Any individual that wants to horde so much money and wealth that could satisfy the lives of millions of people is not a good person.

It's like having a million sandwiches and thousands of hungry people around you .... but you'd rather keep all your sandwiches and screw everyone else, even though you will never be able to physically eat all the sandwiches you have in a lifetime.

Being a billionaire is not a sign of intelligence, it's a mental disorder and a person who lacks human empathy.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 20 minutes ago

You do know that billionaires don't actually have billions of dollars in a vault in a Scrooge McDuck fashion, right?

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 3 points 2 hours ago

Not to be that person, but most people forget that the net worth oft these people is not liquid. They can not just wave a magic wand and give people money.

It's usually in shares of their very highly valued company which they can't give up because they wouldl give up control. Billionaires are not about money, they are about power.

What keeps you in power does not align with doing good. Thus the giving pledge exists, it allows giving away the money while you don't lose control in your lifetime.

Most billionaires do some kind of philanthropy. Gotta control where the money they would pay in taxes ends up. Even this is about power.

Their survival bias makes them believe that they know best what's good for the world. Taxing them would just increase their philanthropy, which is a good thing even though not perfect. Let's start somewhere.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 49 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Modern age dragons, sitting on their hoards while occasionally burning a peasant village to keep those dirty plebs in line.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 22 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Well, you know what to do with dragons

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Sir/ma'am/other, you are on the internet. There are many responses to that.

[–] Plagiatus@lemmy.world 14 points 8 hours ago

Donkey_from_shrek.gif

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Will someone stop this man from yelling "dragon"?

https://youtu.be/ZmJybbWkinc

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

A billion dollars distributed to 1,000,000 people is $1000.

All the wealth billionaires in the US hold is not enough to pay for the government to run for one year.

Let's not pretend giving away all their wealth would fix all of our problems.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 4 points 33 minutes ago

Youre not talking about running the government, which isnt really expensive, youre talking about the whole country. "10 people cant pay for a whole country of 340,000,000 including all of its infrastructure and industry, they dont have that much money".

Can you reflect on how fucking ridiculous this statement is?

Whats next? "Elon Musk cant even buy a planet, hes not that rich"

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 20 minutes ago

Let’s not pretend giving away all their wealth would fix all of our problems.

Let's not pretend that assets work like cash.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

What makes more sense in a society? One person who controls a billion dollars or a thousand people with million dollars?

The billionaire locks up all that wealth and it doesn't do anything for anyone ... sure it might make someone even more money but it essentially locks away that potential wealth from a larger group of people.

If you had 1,000 millionaires, then they would all go out to perform all kinds of other activities and businesses that would be smaller but at least benefit even more people.

Driving wealth to smaller and smaller groups of people only drives more and more wealth to fewer people while everyone else suffers.

Redistributing millions or billions of dollars might not change much ... but at the very least it would be a hell of a lot better than what we have now.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The billionaires have their wealth in businesses, it's not locked up. People don't just put a billion in a savings account

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 18 minutes ago* (last edited 11 minutes ago)

If the people saying "kill all ceos" understood the basics of how a world worked or were past their edgy teens, they would also be smart enough not to grab for violence against entire groups as a first resort. Yes suck, hitlermelon, mexican currency and everyone running the american health insurance companies are not good people, obviously. That means society and laws must change to treat them as equals and to tax ultra rich more while removing money as a tool of influence from politics. I can't see anyone not getting behind that.

But idunno, I see people going "all ceos, landlords and rich are stinkin fukin evil, kill em all". Idk seems kinda violent and totalitarian. Seems like theyd want me dead too since I dont like them killing people they define as needing to be killed. Idunno, makes me not want to respect any of them or their political beliefs or their side.

Y'all see how you are actively giving fuel for the right? And now looking at the centrist threads, driving away people who dont like extremes by labling them as the enemy?

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 hours ago

If a little old lady hoards 20 cats we call her crazy .... a man hoards $400 billion dollars and we call them a genius

[–] Maiq@lemy.lol 30 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

General strike is the best and most effective means we have. If we wait for AI and robots to replace you, you loose your bargaining power.

Crash the fake economy. Your fucked either way might as well go down swinging and on your terms.

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[–] BertramDitore@lemm.ee 50 points 9 hours ago (15 children)

Yup. Show me a billionaire who has paid their workers fairly from day one, followed every single law and regulation by the book, never spent a single dollar on lobbying Congress or contributing to political campaigns for quid pro quos, and never used underpaid contractors or foreign slave labor. You can’t, because there’s no such thing as a good billionaire.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

The guy who founded Costco and was its CEO up until a few years ago is this, if not very close. A business lauded for both how it treated its workforce, and its customers. Basically no turnover unless someone retires.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz -4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Gabe Newell. Costco guy. Im sure theres europeans as well.

Oh theres communist billionaires too, im sure stalin and lenin and chinese ones were wery respectful of the working class, never had a genocide where up to 20% of the population (that is one in every five. Every fifth post in this thread, gone) were killed for not being the right nationality. And they never exploited entire nations forcefully.

But its okay, fuck everyone in a certain group, dehumanize them and talk about violence against them because a few do bad things. Surely the solution is not to use it to fuel political anti campaign to swing the pendulum hard in the other way by limiting power rich can have in the us via providing the myriad of evidence we already have.

No instead sit on internet and make literal hitler speeches where you replace the word "jews" with "rich" and wonder why everyone thinks far left and right are the same Nazis

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

And even then, if they managed to amass that kind of wealth, it had to come from somewhere, i.e. consumers paying enough for their product that it made them a billionaire, meaning all these people found have paid less and that billionaire could be a millionaire or just middle class and more people would be richer.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 1 points 19 minutes ago

That is kind of true. But on the assumption that the corporation (in this case Costco) is doing more good than bad, like generating fair jobs, it would benefit most to see that business grow. If you dont generate profit because you distribute everything to your employees or customers, you will never be able to grow. So Costco will stay with 10 employees forever and only those businesses that exploit workers and customers can grow.

You could argue that there is really no need for businesses to grow as big ss many are today and I would completely agree, but that has to be regulated by law.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

George Soros?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

"As of October 2023, he had a net worth of US$6.7 billion,[9][10] having donated more than $32 billion to the Open Society Foundations,[11] of which $15 billion has already been distributed, representing 64% of his original fortune."

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

This is great, but he still tanked the UK economy to make his fortune, didn't he?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

From the Wiki, yeah:

"Soros is known as "The Man Who Broke the Bank of England" as a result of his short sale of US$10 billion worth of pounds sterling, which made him a profit of $1 billion, during the 1992 Black Wednesday UK currency crisis."

But who do you hate more? Billionaires or bankers? ;)

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 32 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That wealth is the spilled blood of the working class

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 18 points 8 hours ago (7 children)

There is no need for billionaires. They have more money than they know what to do with and could solve a lot of world issues and still have enough money left over to not know what to do with it. There's literally no reason in hoarding all that money if you're not going to spend it. It's a necessity for literally everyone else while they hold onto it to make themselves more powerful. If all the billionaires were hoarding all the food and we had to deal with the scrapes, people would be going absolutely crazy. Even though that's pretty much exactly what they are doing when people can't make enough money to buy food. Throw everything else like medical care and housing into the mix and what you end up with is a few people living a life of luxury while they are literally keeping your life away from you.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 20 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (3 children)

My proof that ethical billionaires don't exist is that there's a line (I usually like to set it at 10 million due to living in a very high CoL area) beyond this line you will never need more money in your life. Money will no longer improve your standard of living and your savings are enough to ride out life in comfort.

When you reach or approach this line you have two options:

  1. Look at everyone you're working with and help them reach that line - if you've accomplished that then start lowering the costs of your business to customers to help your customers reach that line.

  2. Squeeze harder so you get more money and everyone around you gets fucked.

If you chose #2 you are a fucking asshole. You cannot become a billionaire[1] except by choosing #2. You have actively chosen to push down those around you so you can watch number go up.

  1. The exception here is inheritance though someone with a sizable inheritance also has questions about using it to help those around them and, IMO, the estate tax should be near 100% and we should ensure that everyone has as equal a shot at life as we can. I loathe inheritance of wealth as a general concept though some things like having a family home are obviously pretty meaningful to a lot of people.
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[–] el_twitto@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

I hope they all get cancer and.die just slow enough.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, that includes Gabe Newell and the Costco guy.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 hours ago

I mean dont you dare generalize a group of people unless they're people the echo chamber agrees not to like.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

Gabe proves there are less-bad billionaires though

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