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[–] Electric_Druid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

No more boomerposting

[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 14 points 7 hours ago

Our generation has warning labels because their generation actually did it. Buncha lead addled boomers acting like we're fools for learning from their stupidity.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 5 hours ago

There was a time when everyone had common sense

Oh, OP, you're such a merry jester!

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

My dad would print this meme out and mail it to me if he knew how to rightclick

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 1 points 6 hours ago

He can always mail you a manuscript

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 48 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Taking away the instructions on how to service and repair a car was a result of capitalists wanting to make more money by forcing you to get your car repaired by them.

Adding instructions not to drink battery acid is likely for companies to avoid getting sued because people will always argue that there was no warning about drinking battery acid so the company owes you compensation.

This is a false comparison.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Also helps them get away with hiding shoddy/cheap parts.

~2018-2020 Hondas have defective air condensers. They aren’t rated for the refrigerant. They are basically guaranteed to fail. You also have to go to a dealership to get your AC serviced. There’s a warranty for the AC, but it’s that dealer that checks whether your AC meets the warranty or not (amazing how easy it is to find bits of debris and deny the warranty when no third party can double check.)

You could crack open an original Xbox and do a lot of modifications with it. The Xbox 360 was designed to be as annoying to take apart as possible, possibly to hide the cheap components that lead to the red ring of death…

The Xbox 360 was designed to be as annoying to take apart as possible, possibly to hide the cheap components that lead to the red ring of death…

actually, this was probably to fit it into the very weird and particular form factor that microsoft wanted it to fit in.

The red ring of death issue was actually due to faulty chip manufacturing, rather than bad cooling, it was an inevitable flaw due to manufacturing defects, rather than design failures. The heating and cooling cycles just greatly exaggerated the effect of the problem, that's why it's so closely linked.

Also you could've mentioned the update fuses in the CPU, IIRC there are fuses that are blown when the system updates, to prevent you from going back, no matter what you do.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I mean I do agree with you. Planned obsolescence and whatnot is very real.

But also, fixing a car from 70's is very different than trying to fix a car from this millenium.

As technology improves and becomes more detailed, it might also get harder to repair. This isn't to be taken as a defense of companies which have used planned obsolescence. But even if there was a very user friendly car company, I think it would be more complex to adjust your valves today than it was 30-40 years ago.

I mean I do agree with you. Planned obsolescence and whatnot is very real.

it's complicated, a good example, actually probably the ideal example, of planned obsolescence is airpods. Designed to not be repaired, thrown away, and then replaced.

It can also apply to things like "lifetime" designed products, you may design something to mechanically wear out, before it needs to be maintained, or perhaps, require no maintenance, until you need to replace it. It's harder to say whether this is strictly planned obsolescence, or just cost cutting engineering, which in the long run, probably doesn't change much.

i think the most semantically accurate version of this would be releasing a product that is 100% good, and then a year later releasing a product that is 200% good, surpassing and replacing the previous product entirely, removing the previous product from the product line up, and only supporting the most recent product. I.E. it's planned to become obsolete, shortly into the future.

Vehicles are also a weird market segment, they've gotten considerably more reliable since the early days of the automotive industry, they've gotten significantly more comfortable, they've gotten significantly more safe. They've also gotten several orders of magnitude more complicated since than as well. To deal with the aforementioned advances. Though there have been a lot of issues in recent manufacturing leading to parts that are just, bad.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago

if everyone has common sense back then we wouldn't be in the middle of this shitshow today

[–] Whateley@lemm.ee 13 points 18 hours ago

Back in my day we drank from the hose if we got thirsty and lined up in the street to get sprayed with DDT and painted our homes with lead. Those were the days!

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 21 points 20 hours ago

Is this the terrible facebook memes community now?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago

/boomerhumor, because every generation that comes after is stupid.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

honestly, im at a point where i've become anti-humanist.

The political satire is strong this year, and it shows no signs of slowing down anytime soon.

Perhaps the world will crash and burn, who knows, exciting times we live in!

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Ive been voting giant meteor for a while now and it has not showed up.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you want to play relative knowledge, 50 years ago they used asbestos as bathroom waterproofing

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

And painted the whole room with a pretty green colored lead paint.

[–] vinyl@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

And also asbestos as cigarette filters

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

::sigh:: Old cars had instructions on adjusting valves because you needed to. Improvements in manufacturing processes means that valves and valve seats simply don't wear the way that they use to. You may still need to change valve shims if your clearance is out of tolerance, but on most cars that's going to be well over 100,000 miles before service is needed. It's also a really tedious, long job, and takes tools that most people aren't going to have. (I have done it multiple times on a motorcycle; that's a 10,000 miles service interval b/c the engines on the bikes I ride redlines at 18,000rpm, which means significantly more wear on engines, and higher chances of thing like valve flutter.) Cars are vastly more complicated than they used to be, because they're also far, far more efficient, and last far longer; it used to be a big deal if a car made it to 100,000 miles, and now a car that dies at 100k is considered an unreliable lemon.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Well, they don't last far longer as a whole, but the advances in machining tolerances and material science, the mechanical internals can go far longer without anything more than fluid changes.

As far as longevity, soy based wiring harnesses, poorly shielded ECUs, and borked software updates are what are killing cars these days.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

As a whole, they def. do last longer. I can look on FB Marketplace right now and find cars that are in fairly good, operational condition with 250,000 miles. The issues you're talking about aren't the kind of major mechanical things that become improbably expensive to repair, e.g., a broken timing chain with high interference valves & cylinders. Although yeah, replacing a main wiring harness on a car is a PITA and very expensive unless you can find a functional used one on eBay.

Also, there's not great empirical evidence that the soy-based insulation is significantly worse than its petroleum based counterpart. There's a ton of anecdotal claims about it attracting rodents, but no direct evidence AFAIK. The class-action lawsuits over rodent damage have been dismissed. And, TBF, I've had older cars that had wiring chewed by mice. Part of the difference with newer cars seems to be that there's just more wiring packed into smaller areas, areas that look like great nests for rodents; you didn't see that kind of wiring density 20 years ago.

[–] Shou@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Common sense is limited by the population size that shares the same way of thinking.

What's common sense to one group, isn't to the other. Common sense is people specific, not global.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

That's an interesting observation I'd never thought about before. You're right, "common" just refers to the common culture around you. The common sense approach to something in Germany might be entirely different than common sense solution in Japan.

[–] Shou@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Like taking off your shoes before entering someone's home. Why bring street dirt into a living space? Common sense in many asian countries, non-existant sense in the netherlands.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Sometime, you grab the manual of some old piece of junk, there's all the electronic schematics, parts list, all adjustable things that should never face end user, etc. described in it.

Now, it's just "push button. if led not go vroom vroom, call support".

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

There's owners manuals and there's repair manuals.

[–] catch22@programming.dev 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Great point. Think of how incredible it would be if you could go on line and get manuals to fix any part of anything you own from a PS5 to a Refrigerator, to a Rivan Truck including all the protocols, chip sets, ect... Or just explore them to see how things work, I'm sure a lot of great inventions and ideas came about from people tinkering with and exploring manuals like these. Anymore these are considered "top secret" and you have to reverse engineer anything to figure out how it works. I think this speaks more to the fact that the things you "buy" these days aren't really considered yours. You are borrowing the IP to use for a fee and if it breaks, tough shit. Throw it out and get a new one.

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide

This is an established cool community ran resource for all kinds of schematics, repairs, and breakdowns of all kinds of devices for manufacturers that suck at telling you how to fix their stuff.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

As someone who repaired laptops for many years, ifixit is awesome and was the first stop for every laptop we got.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 91 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

50ish years ago, back when people actually read Popular Science, they told people to dispose of their old motor oil by digging a small hole in your backyard, filling it with gravel, and pouring the motor oil into it.

Oh and don't forget all the advertisements for your Doctor's favorite cigarette.

Also, there are two main actual reasons why far fewer car manuals nowadays include instructions on valve adjustments:

  1. A whole lot more modern cars use hydro-compensators, which greatly reduces the need to manually adjust the valves.

  2. Car companies really, really want you to go to a dealership or officially certified maintenance shop so they can overcharge you on maintenance.

[–] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

But pray do tell me, what generation is responsible for car manufacturers discouraging repair and forcing you to go to certified dealers?

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[–] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 130 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

This implies it was the previous generation that drank the content of the battery

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[–] TychoQuad@lemm.ee 42 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This isn’t the flex you think it is. The reason why they warn you not to drink the battery is that someone did it.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Exactly, and it probably took several instances of this happening going back to 1950 before they finally decided to make that warning label.

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And who are the people that are the reason for this having to be in the manual. Its the people that were born 50+ years ago...

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

PSSSHT

BACK IN MAY DAEEEYY

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 60 points 2 days ago (4 children)
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[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 114 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And who put lead in the gas? Cars aren't that simple anymore anyways.

Which generation can't let go of power?

Nah. I call bullshit.

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[–] archonet@lemy.lol 95 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Last I checked, my generation didn't put Reagan into office.

[–] BearGun@ttrpg.network 61 points 2 days ago (6 children)
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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 44 points 1 day ago

To paraphrase an answer I once read: yes, we tend to introduce warnings against bad behaviours we detect and deprecate obsolete information.

In this case: I don't need to tinker a valve in an engine nowadays. The fuel injection is done through an incredibly precise system, controlled by a computer. Even mechanics require specialized tools and equipments to fiddle with that part of an engine.

Car batteries have been built more and more to be maintenance-less; you buy it, run, when it dies you replace it and that is it. Battery acid is a thing and it is dangerous, hence the attempt to divert people from messing with it.

But because less and less people are prone to go into mechanics, the need to advise against tinkering with your battery really needs to be reinforced.

Warning labels are often first written in blood before taking form of paper and ink.

[–] the_beber@lemm.ee 83 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Are we boomer posting today?

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[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah and the last generation keeps sending money to the prince of Nigeria.

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[–] ArgentRaven@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Old cars could actually have their stuff adjusted, though. You'd have to tinker with the carburator if the weather was significantly colder/hotter, etc. to get it to run properly.

Even cars in the 90s started getting too complex - electronic fuel injection, variable valve timing, and more. There's no need to adjust the valves because the computer does it, and better than you could.

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[–] ofk12@lemmy.world 59 points 2 days ago

Proper fucking boring boomer banter that.

[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Who's job is it to teach common sense? If you find the future generation lacking, that's probably your fault.

When I was a teenager, my dad gave me shit for not knowing how to change brake pads, and my response was "Who was supposed to teach me?". Like, it's not like I could afford a car working weekends, and he was always too busy to have me around whenever something went wrong. So next time he changed the brakes, he actuality taught me.

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