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[–] Wolf_359@lemmy.world 176 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (29 children)

Depends. He seems pretty out of it right now and I don't know how much he would really accomplish. He's also pretty old and unhealthy.

But if he comes back angry and the people around him are effective, then yeah we would start looking for other places to live. I'm not trying to live in a Russian-style handmaid's tale.

I don't think it's dramatic to suggest Trump may actually put an end to our democracy though. Another Lemmy commenter summed it up best. They pointed out that we on the left may have disagreed with McCain or Bush, but we never once feared that they would seize power or leave NATO. We trusted them to at least keep the ship afloat and respect the basic tenants of our free and democratic nation.

With Trump, we don't have that. All bets are off because he's an unhinged narcissist. He would leave NATO and risk the Pax Americana that has stabilized the world for almost 100 years now. And he would do it for money, for negative attention, or just because someone told him he couldn't. America has some pretty major faults but China and Russia are not ready to take the reigns. Say what you will about the West but we at least endeavor to protect human rights. I think anyone who isn't trying to build on the current Western peace is incredibly dangerous in a very scary way.

[–] shikitohno@kbin.social 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

He would leave NATO and risk the Pax Americana that has stabilized the world for almost 100 years now.

Stabilizing the world is just flat out wrong. At best, the US has stabilized itself and a select few allies. Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan most recently, along with a whole bunch of countries in Central and South America over the last 100 years would probably feel quite strongly that the US has been a disruptive force for them.

[–] Wolf_359@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago (2 children)

As a devout lefty who thinks America and capitalism need a lot more checks and balances, I have to somewhat disagree with you.

When we talk peace, we are talking relative terms. And I suppose I should also add prosperity into the mix.

I think the West has enabled a period of relative peace and prosperity never before seen. And I think it's getting, overall, better every day. Technology and capitalism, for all their evils, have lifted billions out of poverty and saved billions of lives.

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[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 104 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

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[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 82 points 11 months ago (5 children)

i'll worry about it if and when it happens. i have wasted too much time, energy and resources worrying and catastrophizing about things i cannot control.

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[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 81 points 11 months ago (3 children)

What the fuck can I do? Just be even more depressed about the state of the country

[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 33 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Not everyone has the luxury of uprooting their lives when a fascist comes.

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[–] Dantpool@lemmy.world 75 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If we make plans, and post them on the internet, people start throwing around words like "premeditated" and it just makes things harder.

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[–] Name-Not-Applicable@kbin.social 69 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I’ll sigh, shake my head, and think, “That figures”. And then I’ll go to work, like every other day.

[–] Neato@kbin.social 32 points 11 months ago

This but perhaps crippling depression as well.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 55 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Lose my last shred of faith in this country, mostly

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago (24 children)

Take a shot for every comment saying "Move to Canada" :)

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 49 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Watch Democrats blame people they were actively hostile towards for not enthusiastically waiting for hours in the cold to vote for them.

Then watch the world's longest-running uninterrupted democracy with the world's largest military and the world's largest nuclear arsenal become a fascist dictatorship. Maybe I'll die quickly and have a chance to be envied.

Fix your messaging, Dems. Pretend he's a progressive and oppose him.

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[–] IMongoose@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The same plan I have every election, TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD.

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[–] Facelesscog@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Well, I've got some rope, a candlestick, a revolver, a lead pipe and a nice knife; I wanted to keep my options open.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (4 children)

We playing Clue?! I'll be Prof. Plum!

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[–] Aaron@lemmy.nz 43 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I already moved. It's not just Trump that's the problem, and even if he loses in 2024, or does in office, the issues still will persist. America needs to figure out how to make the judicial system work properly and norms need to be codified. Vast swaths of the population need to change their culture of "us vs them".

I won't be going back, the way things work with Republicans, you can't just move to a blue state, you have to move out of the country.

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 41 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Voting.

Local. State. Federal. Like I always have. I also moved out of a "shithole" state in the words of our treasonous former president.

With China having a severe gender imbalance and a massive generation (age) imbalance, it's going to cause all sorts of problems for them soon. Big, big fucking problems. And Russia just had all their young men flee, die stupidly, or decide Russia might not be the best place after they've released shittons of violent offenders, lol. Russia's future looks dim at best. Iran isn't looking too healthy either.

So the bottom line is this: no matter where you go, you aren't outrunning a shift to a multipolar world, especially one where resources like fresh water and food will be getting more scarce as climate change fucks the world and countries get more desperate, particularly authoritarian ones that are losing a tenuous grip on their people. That shit always causes wars, because humans are too fucking stupid to prioritize science in any other context.

Countries with democracy and immigration and the means to defend themselves and their friends are your best bet. Our fate and your own fate are intrinsically linked because of that.

[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Usually I'd grab my bucket of popcorn and watch another 4 years of the shitshow that is US politics.

Unfortunately, this time the same kind of shitshow is happening across the pond in quite a few countries (not just the usual eastern ex-soviet states), including my country. Populist morons fueled by the Trump, Bolsonaro, Le pen, Orbán cookbook.

People are eating this up on social networks and voting for them. I feel it's going to get real nasty.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah! What's so delightful about things is how the U.S. tends to kind of set the climate for the politics in the west. The nazi party here in Sweden wasn't doing bad per se, but after Trump's victory they skyrocketed! They became the second biggest party last election, beating out the milquetoast bourgeoisie for the first time ever.

Believe Italy has the same issue currently. Lovely stuff.

Mind you I'm not blaming the U.S., it's just that big headlines over there tends to colour ours too.

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[–] 1smoothcriminal@lemm.ee 40 points 11 months ago (11 children)

to continue to live my life

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[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Set up monthly donations to the ACLU and Planned Parenthood, volunteer as a PP escort, open up my (Illinois) home to women and families who need to travel for reproductive healthcare.

This isn't off the top of my head, my spouse and I discussed it years ago, before the previous election.

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[–] tpihkal@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago (8 children)

The same thing I do after every election, cringe for another four years.

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[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 38 points 11 months ago

I imagine a number of famous people will talk about how they're moving to Canada, and don't.

[–] SHamblingSHapes@lemmy.one 38 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Same as I've been doing since he won last time. Stay in my more liberal home state, extend understanding to friends and relatives who live in conservative states, extend invitations to the few who might need to move to keep themselves safe. Keep donating and volunteering with the organizations I've been supporting.

I have a friend who is thinking about seeking asylum in the US. I have encouraged her to weigh her other options; there are other countries where she has friends and family that might be more welcoming to her. If Trump gets elected, I'm not sure she'll even have a viable path to the US.

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[–] thesilverpig@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago

continue being annoyed by the level of corruption and incompetence of the US ruling class while existing in a visibly collapsing empire.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 36 points 11 months ago (19 children)

Fortunate enough to also have EU citizenship, so I've already made arrangements to leave the country in that case. Will keep voting from overseas, though.

[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Inb4 voting from overseas becomes illegal as a result of some rage filled GOP bill about illegals

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[–] OmenAtom@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Its a time honored american tradition to shoot someone wearing red clothing thats trying to tell everyone what to do

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 30 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Nothing I can do. Just do my best to finish out at college (assuming financial aid is still a thing) and move out of the country ASAP.

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[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 11 months ago (20 children)

Wish I could say that I'd move to another country, but realistically I can't afford that. I'd guess I'd live life as normal but I'd always be paranoid at the increased risk of violence against trans people.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Probably get sent to a concentration camp. Dunno if California will secede from the union to preserve human rights, if it comes between secession or letting the DHS collect all our immigrants and non-trad women.

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[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 27 points 11 months ago

Be a constant reminder to my neighbors to avoid authoritarianism. Continue to push for self and local community reliance. Keep pushing my local governments and organizations to remain or become more inclusive.

Something new though? Maybe support an inclusive civics focused militia near me, if for no other reason so that marginalized people can feel like they have a community that will really fight for them or at least help them defend themselves if things really get that bad.

Donations to the ACLU. They seem like the best bet for the hardest fight of preserving the rights of immigrants. Among all the other things, they have to defend against as well.

[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Being an immigrant I'll likely have my plans made for me.

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[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 26 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Continue living in not America. Continue, as an overseas voter, to vote for things I believe in. Do everything I can to get ranked choice to be a thing everywhere and otherwise eliminate the firat-past-the-post bullshit that exists today

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[–] somtwo@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (3 children)
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[–] Drusas@kbin.social 25 points 11 months ago

Send him Big Macs every single day and wait for him to have a heart attack.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'm a queer immigrant so flee. I'm not sticking around for whatever comes after that unless we somehow get a significant majority in Congress

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[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 23 points 11 months ago

My boyfriend is Swiss, and there's been a loose open conversation over where we'd want to end up settling long-term. A second Trump term would definitely add several points in the Switzerland column.

[–] Pilkins@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Keep working, drinking, and sleeping. Not much else to do no matter who wins.

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