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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 60 points 2 months ago (83 children)

That would be a morally correct political faux pas, that would result in Republicans scoring easy points just by saying "See! We told you so!"

It's the kind of suggestion someone in a leftwing political bubble would make, forgetting that to actually be effective, you have to win votes from both sides.

There's no room for tactical errors this election, even if they would make you feel morally superior. It's not a game of moral signaling, it's a game of politics. The point is not to be right, it's to win the election.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago (8 children)

you have to win votes from both sides.

I don't know what you mean by this. Progressives just need people to vote. The higher the voting turnout percentage, the better progressive candidates do. Conservative voters are the last people to stop voting due to disenfranchisement, they are practically immune to it. There are not a lot of swing voters.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yes, and the vast majority of Americans have no interest in voting for what they consider niche culture issues. Defeating fascists will protect everyone’s rights.

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

ITT: we do the white moderate thing MLK talked about where we set a timetable for someone's rights. I'm sure one day it'll be politically convenient to support trans people, y'all just hang in there.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago (9 children)

The mainstream talking point of Democrats turned to "we need to play it safe and win all the Republican votes".

They believe only centrist moderate voters can be scared away. And claim progressives are always guaranteed to vote Democrat. Everything hangs on that assumption.

[–] ynthrepic@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It's a pretty good assumption. You'd have to be a complete shit popsicle to vote for someone worse on all the issues you care about, because the party that gives any fucks whatsoever isn't doing enough.

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[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 8 points 2 months ago

It's just a numbers game. There are far more waffling centrists and drooling fence-sitters in this country that there are people who are trans, and the latter are already likely to vote D regardless. It will always be this way: a campaign is always going to spend more resources on the larger and less sure voting bloc.

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[–] beliquititious@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 2 months ago

The problem is so much bigger than who said what at what convention. The Democratic party needs to actually do something other than pay lip service to the trans population. Unfortunately trans people are less than 1% of voters. Even if all of their friends and family were allies, that's still not enough votes to matter.

The average cis democrat would be perfectly happy with Not-Trump. No one wants trans people to die (at least hopefully), but if it was supporting trans rights or beating Trump? His evangelical base is getting tired of his shit. But if the scary brown lady started talking about transgenders that might be enough to bring them back into the fold.

Meanwhile in most red states the trans population will be ground into a fine paste regardless of who lives in the white house. Unless dems and pull a hat trick and take the presidency, house, and senate (next to impossible this year) that won't change.

It kills me to write, but not talking about trans rights makes sense. That is not a problem within the power of POTUS to solve. A federal law or constitutional amendment is going to be the only way to protect trans rights, abortion access, and gay or interracial marriage. Plus, more cynically, she's got the trans vote regardless, so best case she just says some words. Worst case she loses the paper thin margin because the jesus freaks who were going to stay home have a reason to vote.

[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 months ago (16 children)

"Should Have" in what sense? Like as a moral matter or to get elected? They're very different things.

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Too bad there's no article you could read to check. It might even say something like:

But in a stunning abdication of moral responsibility, Democrats made little mention of trans rights during this year’s Democratic National Convention (DNC). Trans people were mentioned in just two speeches, and neither speaker received prime-time speaking slots. For the first time since 2012, the DNC did not feature any trans speakers.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The trans community and it's supporters know they're being attacked by the right and needs to vote Dem, so they've got that locked in. What political advantage is there in making it a campaign issue for the Dems when the GOP has done all the work already?

[–] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because Dems in power in the US have a track record of using trans rights as political bargaining chips. They have done it many times. The reality is that some democrats care about the human and civil rights of trans people, and some don't. I don't trust them with trans rights at all.

That said, for the convention dems probably saw the polling that shows that people are sick of hearing about trans issues, and decided to avoid it.

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[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (24 children)

Oh my god. This account finds something to nitpick at the Dems and posts every five minutes. Notice how they barely - if ever - post anything critical of Republicans?

Every. Five. Minutes.

You want a seat ta the table? Learn how politics works. Otherwise, I don't know, go back to purity testing the Dems every five minutes. See where that gets you.

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[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Love how all the pro-trans rights people are being downvoted in this thread. You ok, Lemmy?

[–] Goferking0@ttrpg.network 6 points 2 months ago

We're not allowed to point out issues apparently.

[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Na. They did the right thing. It’s implied. Why give the trump idiots more ammo.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Mhm. Let's make the moral choice, have Republicans make more noise on the issue and turn away voters just like on Gaza, climate change, immigration, wealth inequality to ultimately help Republicans strip away protections on each.

To have Harris be the slippery target is strategic, because Republicans know how to pounce on an issue when they think they see one. They've already done it dozens of times on complete non-issues due to them having lack of real rebuttals against the Democratic party.

I'll put it bluntly: to have trans-inclusivity become the norm, we have to pitch the inclusivity part before we explain the trans part.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago (6 children)

So you think the way to counter the Republicans using fascist tactics to demonize trans people is to not support trans people. Because if we support trans people, it will only make more people side with Republicans and attack trans people.

Fuck that. Fuck that every conceivable way.

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