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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

you have to win votes from both sides.

I don't know what you mean by this. Progressives just need people to vote. The higher the voting turnout percentage, the better progressive candidates do. Conservative voters are the last people to stop voting due to disenfranchisement, they are practically immune to it. There are not a lot of swing voters.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, and the vast majority of Americans have no interest in voting for what they consider niche culture issues. Defeating fascists will protect everyone’s rights.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca -4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

You're not saying that they are disinterested, that this is an ineffective way to spend energy or something. You're saying that it will actively drive moderate Americans to hate trans people. I think you need to look into your heart.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

So, to be clear, your claim is that I didn't say what I literally said?

Here, maybe an analogy will help. Suppose I run for office to fight corporate monopolies. How do I get people to vote for me?

  1. “My fellow Americans, a strong antitrust policy will save you money at the grocery store by preventing price gouging.”

  2. “My fellow Americans, a strong antitrust policy will save you money on Pokémon cards by preventing price gouging.”

Even though Pokémon cards will be cheaper under a good antitrust policy, that’s not a fact that will motivate average Americans to vote. They don’t hate Pokémon, you understand. They just have their own problems, living paycheck to paycheck, etc.

Hope that helps!

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 months ago

No, they're saying that it will actively drive some moderate Americans to not vote because they see the trans question as being a far left issue. If they have more votes to lose than to win by talking about trans rights (which trans actually know are better protected by Democrats) then why would they talk about it when their goal is to be elected?

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is a reasonable response. But generally "energizing the base" is done closer to the election. We'll see more preaching to the choir discourse around then.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm kind of hoping the silence on Gaza turns loud once the election is close enough that AIPAC money won't fuck the election.