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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)
  1. People disagree on the bias bot reporting
  2. People don't like their biases being made visible
  3. People don't realize they have a bias
  4. People find the bot noisy
[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (17 children)

Someone just told me that it "labels everything short of fascism as 'left-leaning'" and "tries to shift the Overton window" even further right than it already is in the US.

And I suppose that is correct if your idea of the spectrum of normal political opinions is restricted to what you see on Lemmy, especially if your instance hasn't defederated from Hexbear yet.

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[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Personally I find it worthless because it lends credibility to sources that promoted the Iraq war, afghanistan, libya, syria, etc.

Any source that covered a story where thousands to millions will be/are/were murdered for the profit of the military-industrial complex as anything but an unimaginable crime is instantly non-credible. Yes, that includes 99% of American media.

Same with every media outlet wringing their hands about Hamas instead of the locking of millions of people in a concentration camp for decades that precipitated the attack.

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[–] LedgeDrop@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago (12 children)

Since you asked:

  1. The bot provides little "value" vs the noise it creates.

I don't need a bot to tell me that the BBC is a legit news source. Maybe if you flip it around and only publish a message if it's a known scammy website, this might be less spammy. However, this "threshold for scamminess" would be very subjective.

  1. This bot is everywhere. This is closely related to the first point ("value" vs noise). It just sprang up one day and I saw it in every single thread, I'd read.

Fortunately, most Lemmy clients allow blocking users - which I've done and I'm much happier with my Lemmy experience.

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[–] jakwithoutac@feddit.uk 1 points 3 months ago (8 children)

So the answers in this post are mostly that people are downvoting the bot because it is often wrong and then others defending it by saying “it’s not wrong it’s just based on American politics”.

If the bot reported from a range of sources that reflect a number of different political perspectives I’m sure it’d be more useful outside of the scope of American politics, and therefore wouldn’t get downvoted.

As far as I’m concerned the vote system is working as intended.

The internet is not American. There are no nations on lemmy ✌️

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Agreed. NYT is center-right from my point of view, and I think it's a pretty neutral assertion. The bot says it's center left. That's the same discrepancy as if they would call Fox News Center.

In my opinion the bot tries to shift the overtone window to the right. Just because Trumpists call everything leftist media doesn't make it that.

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[–] DeathbringerThoctar@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Personally my biggest gripe is with the formatting, specifically spoilers tags are a terrible choice when the whole thing could be a single sentence with a link. Spoiler tags aren't uniformly implemented and when pointed out the stance is it's the clients fault for not doing spoilers the way the dev wants rather than the devs fault for not using a more standardized approach which just bugs me. If the goal was concise conveyance of information, they missed the mark.

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[–] toastus@feddit.org 1 points 3 months ago

Because many feel that the bot has a bias itself, making it useless at best and actively harmful at worst.

I have no horse in this race and don't downvote the bot myself, but I have also seen it call sources center left, that are definitely not left of any reasonable center.

[–] yogurt@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Even if you like the bot you should be downvoting it because that puts it in a predictable spot: at the bottom, without getting in the way of real comments.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Because it's biased itself. They whitewash far right conservative sources while listing anything that tries to remain neutral and fact based as having a left bias. Left center to be exact. Then they put far right stuff in "right center" to make you think it's equivalent.

Their factual rating is largely subjective as well. With similar amounts of failed fact checks getting different ratings.

So basically the guys who want to be the guardians of fact and bias are themselves acting in a biased manner instead of an objective one.

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[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 1 points 3 months ago

I really like the idea of the bot.

If the source was independent; and could be trusted. It would be a great tool; the display could be a lot better but the idea is sound.

As others have pointed out, the source is a black box that may or may not be biased itself.

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago (6 children)

If it's trying to tell people that CNN is center-left, who knows wtf else is questionable (or outright wrong).

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The bot is crap. This is how it rates Raw Story, a clickbait factory that churns out shallow articles with dramatic, misleading headlines. It just produces slop for liberal Boomers to fill up their Facebook feed, but based on the bot's reply, you'd think it was the Gaurdian.

[–] abaddon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for actually providing an example. I've asked and I've seen others ask but no one ever actually provides evidence to back their claim, they just downvote or say "bot bad".

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Sure, no problem. Also, I think it would be disingenuous to pretend that at least some of this backlash isn't from people who don't like the idea that their beliefs may not be objective facts. I'd be lying if I said I didn't struggle with that from time to time.

But the real problem I have with these bots is that they can never capture the kind of nuance vetting a source requires. The Raw Story ranks high on credibility because they don't publish lies, but they don't publish anything worthwhile either. Most of their, "stories," are second hand accounts of something someone (who may or may not be credible) said on CNN, or how a politician or pundit got mocked on social media, and then given a title that implies the incident was more significant than it was. It's difficult to judge something like that with an algorithm that simply looks for, "Credibility," and, "Bias."

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

It actually rates it significantly higher than the Guardian, which it gives a mixed factual rating and medium credibility, which is the same rating they give the Sun. It's laughable.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Jesus, I knew it was bad, but I didn't realize it was that bad. That's insane.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

Ooof. If it gives the S*n even a mediocre rating, it’s shit.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ironically, bias fact checkers are also subject to biases so it could be that the bias fact checker was simply not that great in this instance.

However, I think jet explained the most likely situations well

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[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Two reasons: It's a spammy bot, and it has a right-wing bias

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

Oh no, now we need a Media Bias Checker Bot Bias Checker

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Have you asked yourself who runs the bot and what their bias is?

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