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I'm feeling so uneasy with everything I've been seeing. I keep thinking about what we will be this time next year, and if shit hits the fan, what is your plan? I'm queer and was politically active in 2020, so I would potentially be considered a political enemy.

The only blueprint I can think of is what you do in an active shooter situation; Flee, Hide, Fight.

I know there's that romantic notion of "don't be a coward, get out and protest", but I remember the brutality of the 2020 protests firsthand, and even then I thought "thank god I'm going toe to toe with the CPD and not the CCP". Next time is going to be different. The president now has authority to send drone strikes. Protests and riots don't stand a chance agains missiles and live rounds.

Flee- I have an Uncle in Montreal who my family could potentially use as a way to at least temporarily escape the chaos. The hope I'd have is that Canada and other countries would accept American refugees, however that's not a guarantee.

Hide- If borders are closed, lay low and move away from major cities if possible. If civil war breaks out, try to get away from the violence even if you think your side will win. Todays losers may be tomorrows victors.

Fight- If cellular data/ social media algorithms can keep track of you, and surveillance can make sure there's no movement, this would be the last resort of desperation. I guess if possible try to either find a group for safety in numbers, or conversely go guerrilla as groups of resistance would make easy targets.

Sorry my mind is running and I'm getting scared.

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

“On Tyranny” has some great guidance on this, as well as some guidance on how to do what you can to help put the brakes on it happening.

TL;DR there’s quite a lot more, but stay off the internet, get used to making small talk, making eye contact. Know who’s in your community physically and who has your back. Renew your passport, make friends in other countries if you can. Make friends. Stay off the internet.

[–] sturlabragason@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Western Europe is pretty decent if you can move and get a job here.

[–] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Don't underestimate the US military, as an ally. They are primarily younger, and the upper echelons are educated and all take their oath very seriously, to defend the Constitution, from enemies foreign and domestic. Of course there will be factions that will stick to Trump, like certain national guards, but that will fracture command and weaken our ability to react internationally. The military understand those implications, the potential literal end of the world. In the end, they push the button, not the president. The lower ranks have no desire to fight American civilians either, it's antithetical to everything they are taught, and the age range is generally people in their 20's and 30's.I trust a Marine, a soldier, an airman, a seaman heheh, coast guard too, oh and the spacemen, way more than a cop, to do the right thing.

A vet.

[–] Darrell_Winfield@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'd like to try to assuage your fears regarding a protest meeting missiles or drone strikes. Yes, the President can order drone strikes with impunity. It's been that way since the first use of drones, early as the Obama era (maybe earlier, but I was a bit young then).

However, this does not apply to US soil. One of the benefits of state sovereignty is that federal armed forces can't operate on US soil. National guard gets involved, at the governor's request, but they don't have missiles or drones. Police are barbaric, but they also don't have missiles or drones.

So I don't think we'd see much of an escalation in terms of weapons of violence with regards to protests when compared to 2020.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If he declares it an official act, then it’s not illegal. Drone strikes are pretty official.

SCOTUS fucked up super-sized

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He can order it all he wants, but that doesn't mean any branch of the military has to actually carry out an obviously illegal order. All it means is that he theoretically "can't" get prosecuted for trying.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Soldiers swear an oath to the Constitution to not commit illegal orders, regardless of who orders them.

The issue is that the president cant issue illegal orders anymore. Since hes the commander in chief of the military, his orders are an "official act," i.e constitutional.

The supreme court has said that the president can order military executions of anyone at all and the military can no longer legally refuse. The above is constitutional, because the people who decide what is constitutional said it is.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

SCOTUS still decides what is or isn't an official act.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A huge portion of the military supports him.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And a huge proportion doesn’t.

Dont underestimate how many people join the military at 18 for financial/career reasons and often end up living overseas and meeting people from different backgrounds. It’s not as conservative as people might imagine.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth -1 points 4 months ago

I know that many do not, but I have no idea what the actual proportions would be. Polls are iffy.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

you guys have cried about your guns for two hundred years in case of this exact situation

[–] chaosCruiser 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

My plan is to get some popcorn and binge the next 4 seasons of The Shit Show. The previous 4 seasons were an absolute dumpster fire! The flood of lies and delusions was just incredible. Oh, and the season finale! [chef’s kiss] Never seen anything like that before.

[–] card797@champserver.net 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Get up, send my kids to school and go to work.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

"What did you learn at school?"

"That life begins at contemplation"

[–] mydude@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

"As your president, I will do everything in my power to protect our LGBTQ citizens from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology." - Biden 2016

Oh i'm sorry. That was Trump.... (Right under the video) https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-says-he-s-fine-gay-marriage-60-minutes-interview-n683606

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Based on the judges he appointed it doesn't really matter what Trump says

Edit: oh my god. The article is from 2016. He's done the exact opposite for gay rights

[–] mydude@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well, the Dems gambled in 2016, regard the supreme court judges, and lost. Big time... The people will pay the price... Weird that the oligarchs win no matter what happens...

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So cheap to always both sides it. The "oligarchs". Do you guys have a script you pass around? You guys can't seem to have any original thoughts

[–] mydude@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If you really think that the Dems are so much better, why don't people have nice things in California? The dems have super majority there for many years...? Just bad luck?

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Depends. By what metric? It's the fifth largest economy in the world with the top literacy rate in the nation. What are you comparing it to? Mississippi? I need more than but muh California!!!

[–] mydude@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Having m4a, affordable housing, 25$ mimimum wage, helping the homeless, food programs. Anything that helps the poor...

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I, too, take Trump at his word, which is how I know he's sexually interested in his own daughter.

[–] mydude@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You shouldn’t take any politician by their word...

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Then why are you quoting one?

[–] mydude@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

To illustrate my point. Doesn't matter who said it. It won't be reflected in passed policy because the exploitation-class benefits from division.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Celebrate and hope that he sticks to his word on ending the war in Ukraine (of course I don't trust him or any other politician, but at least there will be a slight hope, as compared to Biden who will 100% continue the slaughter..)

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think the reason I don't follow that idea is that it sounds so similar to Neville Chamberlain's "Peace for our Time". The slaughter would just be put on pause, but would last longer and become more dangerous in 2 years time.

I see a difference between that and the handling of Gaza, which Trump would very much continue supporting Israel on. He wouldn't put American troops on the ground, but he's been saying his peace plan is for Israel to "get the job done". This is very much what we did in Afghanistan and Iraq, and we saw how that played out. I understand there is a belief that stopping support for Israel means the death of Israel, but with BB, he is only accelerating this by continued genocide of Palestinians.

There are idealists (and I will fully admit some anti-semites) who would love to see the end of a Jewish state, and there are those who would look for a two state solution. Trump and BB have made it clear that they are not for a two state solution and are pushing for complete annihilation of the Palestinian people. Trump is not a peacemaker.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The slaughter would just be put on pause, but would last longer and become more dangerous in 2 years time.

This may or may not happen, nobody can predict the future.
That's why I said "there will be a slight chance".
With Biden the war will go on for who knows how much time, hundreds of thousands if not millions more people will die for sure and the chance for peace in the foreseeable future is 0. With Trump it's >0. So I sure hope he will win.

... Palestine/Israel ...

That's a topic for another discussion really.. Both candidates will probably continue that war, but one will also continue the war in Ukraine, while another one promises to finish it.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This may or may not happen, nobody can predict the future.

bullshit. you're just happy to throw ukraine to the wolves.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nah, I'm just happy that people there might stop being massacred.
Now I know that's not a popular opinion for the last two years, and everybody thinks it's OK and every Ukrainian should die, but I still think killing people who done you no harm is not okay.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nah, I’m just happy that people there might stop being massacred.

in no way will appeasing putin stop the massacre. bullies don't back down until socked in the face

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Negotiations are the only realistic way to end the war, and this is exactly what Trump is saying he will do - force both sides to negotiate.
I don't really care who it is "appeasing", I want people stop being murdered.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

if you actually care about people, stopping the russian INVASION is all you should care about.

Your supposed concern is sick.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Eh, how fucked up this is...

People who support war, support killing/wounding hundreds of thousands of innocent people somehow really think they are the good guys, and call those who oppose war, killings and suffering "sick"..

What the actual fuck..

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People who support war, support killing/wounding hundreds of thousands of innocent people somehow really think they are the good guys, and call those who oppose war, killings and suffering “sick”…

It's sick to look at a country invaded by it's neighbor and call for the victim to compromise you twisted shitfuck

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about, advocating for saving innocent people's lives is being "twisted shitfuck".

Surely those who say that are the good guys :)