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I'm a heavy emoji user, texting is such a poor medium for communication, many times people get the wrong message, but with an emoji you'll get an idea of the face I'm making, so less chance of misunderstanding

I noticed that every time I add an emoji to a comment it gets downvoted, so I tested my theory, wrote a comment without an emoji, got upvotes, went back and added an emoji, got downvotes..

On Reddit people use emojis a lot, on Lemmy I NEVER saw anyone use emojis, my account is new but still for the time I spent here, I never saw the use of emojis

So, is it just me, have you noticed this small detail ? and do you miss emojis the way I do ? 😭

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[–] scytale@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One reason is that they don't translate well depending on the instance. For example, emojis from hexbear are extremely large on lemmy, which irritates some users when a comment section is full of emojis.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Emojis are standardized and part of Unicode.

Those things are server-side custom images that are inserted with html.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah right. I just assumed the OP also meant those images. I stand corrected.

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[–] willya@lemmyf.uk 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Ζͺ(β€’ΜƒΝ‘Ξ΅β€’ΜƒΝ‘)∫

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[–] ferrodegaragem@lemmy.eco.br 13 points 1 year ago

What are you talking about? I love them. πŸ₯°β€οΈ

[–] amoroso@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While I don't downvote posts with emojis I'm most interested in reading tech content, where emojis feel redundant and distracting.

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Alright, I don't want to sound offensive, but maybe work on your punctuation. You need a lot more periods instead of commas. Maybe that has some relation to it? I don't feel that adding emojis add anything, but especially when it's poorly written I feel like the person either is lazy or doesn't know what they're writting.

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Emoticons are superior ᕙ⁠(β Β Ν‘β β—‰β Β Νœβ Β β Κ–β Β Ν‘β β—‰β )⁠ᕗ

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[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Reddit hates them too. I think the "old" Internet hates them, in general.

[–] thepiguy@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

I don't really like emojis, not the default ones anyways :)

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel very πŸ„ about people using emojis.

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Bunch of old Linux nerds (the first to settle in Lemmy) don't like emojis.

[–] Yamainwitch@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

πŸ‘‰πŸ˜ŽπŸ‘‰ zoop zoop

A huge amount of emoji use is either a) entirely redundant, and thus just unsightly clutter in the text as it doesn't fit in with any typical fonts, or b) completely lacking in general, shared meaning, such that it fails at being effective communication.

And yeah, there are situations in which they work, but typically it typically only does so in specific subcultures that have a common understanding of what various emoji mean. Because I'm sure you don't consider πŸ’’πŸ’’πŸ’’ needs correction πŸ’’πŸ’’πŸ’’ to be a sensible response to your own emoji, but it would be for many people

[–] Sentrovasi@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think the older generation got used to the stereotype that if people were posting with emojis, they would naturally be making more immature posts (being younger). There are a lot more people from the older generation on the Fediverse.

For an example of this generational gap: you mention that "On Reddit people use emojis a lot" - that genuinely is not the experience on Reddit I had: when I still used Reddit frequently, emojis were treated with the same level of disdain (which both explains and is explained by the condescension around the Emoji Movie).

So you're signalling that you're from a certain generation and looking to appeal to people who are similarly from that generation of people who like to use emojis to express themselves. That's going to attract some people and also going to rub others the wrong way. And that's fine! Keep using your emojis. You just might want to remember that a lot of the people who hated new Reddit and a lot of the people who left Reddit for Lemmy the first time are/were going to be old-timers (by internet standards), so you might find fewer like-minded people here.

As a last note, your saying you "miss emojis" makes me feel extra old (and I don't think I'm old at all!): it suggests that the time of emojis has not only eclipsed the internet culture I'm familiar with but has died out also. That's two eras. It's fortunate that at this current point in time, it seems like digital cultural eras can pass in weeks.

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[–] asg101@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Emojis are a waste to me, my eyesight is not good enough to differentiate whatever the fuck they are supposed to be saying. I don't like to throw around "ists" and "isms" but some people really do have accessibility issues, and emojis are not helpful at all. Too many of them are only reflecting inside jokes and elitism.

Use language, that is what it is there for.

[–] Wes_Dev@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huh, that's an interesting point that I never thought of before.

Do you think there would be a way to make them easier to differentiate that would make them more useful, or do you think there's a fundamental problem with using them?

I'm thinking of workarounds like making emoji SVG to scale to whatever size you need.

Or maybe an optional setting to insert text after an emoji for users that want it. Example:

😊 (Smiling face)

What do you think?

[–] asg101@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huh, that's an interesting point that I never thought of before.

Yeah, I have found that accessibility issues are mostly treated like a joke in the tech industry. I would raise it as a QA issue and nothing would be done.

The text would certainly be helpful for the vision impaired, but if text would do it, why use emojis in the first place? Same issue with vague icons, you need a text alternative for usability.

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[–] aaaa@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Emojis are a terrible method of communication. People have different interpretations of the same faces, and use them to mean different things. On top of that, they render differently depending on which device or service you are using, potentially sending a completely different message than you intended.

Tiny faces are ambiguous and usually don't help clarify a message.

Just use your words, it makes for better communication. Spell out what you mean and there's less room for misunderstanding.

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[–] Synthead@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ignore all votes on your comments and do what you want. Don't let a bunch of anonymous folks on the Internet change the way you communicate.

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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (20 children)

If you need to use emojis to convey feeling, emotion, or to emphasize your point-

You need to learn more words.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Reddit's popularity came from simplicity. It was a breath of fresh air, after late-90s forum culture, with flat linear threads bloated by signatures and avatars and quotes and blaaah. Nevermind the nested replies - we were so glad to have discussions where the names and words were the only content because the names and words are all that matter.

Emojis fucking ruined that. Emojis make it impossible to have plain text, anymore. Even if we accept they belong in a writing system - can you write yellow? Are you doing multicolor smiley faces, ever? These ugly little fixed icons stick out, which makes people more likely notice them, which makes people more likely to use them. It's a feedback loop that skews things back toward the bad old days of :laughing: :laughing: :smashwithhammer: :spork: (hr) [two paragraphs of boomer-ass one-liners]. On every fucking comment.

That revulsion carried over to lemmy because... it's the same people. We're here because the reddit corporation set its community on fire.

It'd matter a lot less if any browser or website ever defaulted to the symbols being black on white or vice-versa. Even then - there's something deeply distasteful about dealing with people who mistake their facial expressions for a counterargument. I'd much rather be told to fuck off than have some brainless troll spit a bucktooth-and-glasses smiley face, and then do it over and over in the face of any effort to explain why that's just garbage behavior. Concise, verbose, witty, blunt, dry, whimsical, doesn't fucking matter. They've got their "okay, boomer" and they're immune to words. One step above a toddler yelling "no!" at everything. A parasocial version, where other jackasses will come along and upvote them for doing it, while ha ha look at the other guy trying to have a conversation. Post the thought-terminating smug icon again. It'll be even funnier the seventh time.

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[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

, many times people get the wrong message, but with an emoji you’ll get an idea of the face I’m making, so less chance of misunderstanding

[citation needed]

Several emojis are quite ambiguous in meaning or interpretation, including because of intercultural factors (eg.: U+1F626 FROWNING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH , or any of the praying / reverence / salute emojis). You, or rather your readers, also have no guarantees that the emoji they are seeing unambiguolsy matches the one you wanted to send and has not been misrepresented in transit or because of the provider (eg.: U+1F52B GUN which was rebranded into WATER PISTOL at different points by different providers).

In comparison, a classic Unicode / ANSI / JIS smiley is basically unambiguous and has two to four extra decades of context.

A simple text, even an acronym, is even better, for example rather than trying to express extreme displeasure at someplace else's lack of good gun control laws with a "prohibition sign" and "~~gun~~ water pistol", you can use the even simpler text message of "your gun laws are bad".

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Emoji whatever you want. Cheers🍻

[–] airportline@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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