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I'm a heavy emoji user, texting is such a poor medium for communication, many times people get the wrong message, but with an emoji you'll get an idea of the face I'm making, so less chance of misunderstanding

I noticed that every time I add an emoji to a comment it gets downvoted, so I tested my theory, wrote a comment without an emoji, got upvotes, went back and added an emoji, got downvotes..

On Reddit people use emojis a lot, on Lemmy I NEVER saw anyone use emojis, my account is new but still for the time I spent here, I never saw the use of emojis

So, is it just me, have you noticed this small detail ? and do you miss emojis the way I do ? 😭

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[–] baduhai@sopuli.xyz 212 points 11 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

On Reddit people use emojis a lot

I find this really funny. I used reddit for about a decade, and I remember redditors absolutely hating emojis. Reddit really changed, in the time I used it and rarely did it change for the better.

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I also remember a lot of hate for emojis on Reddit. Or maybe it's just the communities I frequented. But, most of the hate I saw linked them to Twitter and a dumbing down of discourse. I have the same sort of reaction to them, but I also recognize that they are becoming normalized in discourse and I really shouldn't have such a negative reaction. Some day, we'll probably have some make their way into formalized English and you would be considered weird, archaic and backwards for not using them. Consider how we now see the use of the words "thee" and "thou". Those used to be normal, but people got lazy and just started using "you" everywhere, despite it being the "wrong" usage. Now, it's just normal.

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[–] Sabata11792@kbin.social 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)
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[–] RandomStickman@kbin.social 26 points 11 months ago

Come to say the same thing. I guess it's mostly old grouchy people like us that moved on to the Feddiverse lol

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 158 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Downvotes aren't gonna stop me posting this lil guy 🐒

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[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 97 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

For me personally, it annoys me when emojis are used as a lazy replacement for language and it quickly deteriorates into πŸ₯ΊπŸ₯ΊπŸ˜­πŸ˜­πŸ˜’πŸ˜­πŸ˜­πŸ˜°πŸ˜°πŸ™πŸ™πŸ™ sort of bullshit.

In other communication I sometimes throw in a single smiley face because I've been told that middle aged women in particular interpret messages as passive aggressive if I don't.

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[–] tanja@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Honestly, as long as you're not going for a clickbait-like thing with lots of πŸ˜‚, 😭, and πŸ’€, when is not really justified, I don't really see an issue.

Personally I'll use ✨, ☺️, 🌸, and πŸ₯Ί regularly in my comments as I think they're cute πŸ₯Ίβœ¨

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[–] athos77@kbin.social 55 points 11 months ago (13 children)

I much prefer emoticons over emojis, but I couldn't tell you why.

[–] EmoBean@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

Nostalgia :'(

[–] DaDragon@kbin.social 31 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Because we’re the last of the old guard? I’m gen z, and honestly I still prefer emoticons, probably because I grew used to them before emoji

[–] HouseWolf@lemm.ee 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Older gen z and I remember sometime in my mid teens most chat apps started automatically converting emoticons into emojis. It bugged me to hell and back you either had to swap :) to =) or turn them back to front to avoid getting "emojified"

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[–] pixelscript@lemmy.ml 49 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

To me, using default face emoji gives off the same kind of vibe as still having the setting that adds "Sent from my iPhone" to the footers of your emails enabled. Or driving around a car you've purchased with the car dealership branding badges and license plate covers on it. Or using a laptop with all the factory stickers still on it. It signals a kind of "this is fine" lack of care or concern by allowing your own expression to be polluted by pre-canned expressions from a corporation.

Here you have a short list of milquetoast, approved-by-committee standard-issue emotion pictographs. Only the most broadly applicable ones. Perfectly weaponizeable for some airplane food communication by some brand on Twitter or Facebook. And people look at these and go, "Look! That one's sad! I'm sad! These emojis really 'get' me! I'm gonna use them!"

They're expressive, but only in the ways the platform is permitting you to be expressive. A valid counter argument would be, "Some is better than none". But I can't shake feeling like I'm being railroaded into communicating my feelings by approximating them into a small handful of simplified, standardized emotions. And I don't understand how others are satisfied with that.

Emojis only render a specific way on a specific platform, too. So if you're using an emoji that feels like it fits your current emotion because it has a very specific, nuanced look to it, but you're on a platform that doesn't render them the same for every user, you'll unwittingly send a completely different signal than you were intending, as your emoji will become mangled into some slightly different emotion depending on who receives it. The only two ways out of this are either staying inside a platform's walled garden so you only use their standard issue emojis, or you just relegate your communication to being described solely by the broad, vague notions that the emojis represent. Both options are restrictive in ways I dislike.

That isn't to say that I hate emojis, or that I don't think they can be used creatively. Ironically, in my opinion, the best uses of emoji are for when you're using one to communicate any emotion other than the one it was intended for. Exhibit A: how πŸ’€ has almost entirely supplanted πŸ˜‚ in some circles. Usages like that are communicating more than the sums of their parts in only ways that emoji can achieve, and I find that fascinating. It almost feels like a form of social "recapturing", taking them away from their usual stiff, corporate vibe and making them something transformative.

It only lasts for a time, though. As the mass market clues in on it and starts to cater to it, the novelty disappears. There was a time when πŸ‘ and πŸ† were clever innuendo. Nowadays there's no joke there. That's just what they mean now. The only ones who think themselves clever or fashionable by using them in that way are doing so in shitty Facebook memes.

The problems I have with emojis mostly only affects the face ones, specifically. The way the human mind is a hyper optimized facial recognition machine amplifies the platform exclusivity problem. Like, you can never have just a smiling emoji. You have to use this platform's smiling emoji, the way they drew it, expressing all the little microdetails they decided to put onto it. And given how complex emotions can be in particular, the inflexibility of a standard set of face emoji to express yourself with feels significantly more restrictive than, say, not being able to find an emoji for some random object.

Just my two cents, though. At the end of the day, if you send a message to someone, they receive it, and they understand exactly what it is you've sent, that's successful communication. Send those emojis with pride if you believe they enrich what you have to express in ways words can't. As long as you're being understood by someone, never let anyone, especially not me, tell you how you should and shouldn't be able to express yourself.

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[–] KiraNerys@hexbear.net 47 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Come to hexbear, we love emojis here lol

hexbear-specter

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[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 46 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Probably because we on Hexbear use them, and we have a lot of them. Let them seethe. sicko-fem

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 43 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

They hate us for our freedommission-accomplished

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 42 points 11 months ago (4 children)
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[–] CanadaPlus 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

On Reddit people use emojis a lot

Really? We must have used different subs. Maybe that's the answer, you're the only guy from r/emojipasta or whatever to make the switch.

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[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 40 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Imagine giving a fuck about who upvotes or downvotes you on Lemmy ☠️

Just use whatever you feel comfortable with it, I sometimes use emojis, other times simple stuff like :) or other times this Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―

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[–] BlackBart@kbin.social 38 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Some of it may be an age thing, in my own case, i dislike emojis because i have no idea what most of them are supposed to mean., including the one at the end of your post. So for older folks like me, they make the post look weird, and can make it more difficult for me to understand what it is that you are trying to communicate.

But i wouldn't actually downvote you for it, im just more likely to ignore your post if it is overflowing with emojis.

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[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 36 points 11 months ago

because they hate having fun no-oil

[–] MargotRobbie@lemm.ee 35 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Never been on Hexbear before, eh?

Ask your admins to implement some emojis. We have them on LW, but nobody ever really use them. Just a culture thing I guess.

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 34 points 11 months ago
[–] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 33 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Reddit was at the extreme end of emoji rejection as far as I ever saw. Odd that you experienced differently. I often saw well-upvoted comments such as "downvote due to emoji use" next to heavily downvoted emojis on Reddit.

Not an emoji fan myself, but each to their own.

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[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Are the Hexbear emotes still really big cause if so I kinda get it

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 34 points 11 months ago (2 children)

i think they mean emojis in general. there was a weird hate for them on reddit in like 2016, probably because of "normies" or something of the like, that still remains in hyper-online communities

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[–] manuallybreathing@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago

its funny reddit used to be extremely anti emoji, there's something about them being feminine coded, something about real men using real words, big manly words, the bigger and the more the manlier, utter your inclinations with the utmost exuberance, kind stranger, for I am a maker of quotes! the narwhal bacons at midnight, pippip cheerio

I was not aware that emoji were suddenly socially acceptable on le reddit

[–] zettajon@lemdro.id 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (13 children)

Zoomers replying with a comment of just

😭😭😭😭😭

is the most low effort and stupid type of response. I miss the old days of Reddit where people actually followed reddiquette, and hope that shit doesn't come here.

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[–] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

we are of a higher intelectual standard

🍷🧐

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[–] online@lemmy.ml 29 points 11 months ago

πŸ€”πŸ˜”πŸ€·πŸ€·πŸ€¦

[–] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

People get mad because they see hexbear users having fun with emojis instead of writing a bunch of words to say nothing. I spoiler tag my emojis in other Lemmy's as a result.

spoiler

I am being censored by the emoji/civility cop in my head. 1984

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 27 points 11 months ago (5 children)

A single emoji to add a little mood at the end of a comment is fine. As soon as I have to interpret a fucking code I’m downvoting and moving on.

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[–] Atemu@lemmy.ml 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

I really like them as dumb little "reactions" in chats (as in: emojis other can attach to a message) but, for longer, more thoughtful text posts, they usually distract from the content IME.

I also don't like how they're usually, well I don't know how to describe it but: Overly emotional. Your crying emoji is a good example; you're not actually crying an ocean because you miss emojis, you're just a little sad about it (I assume).

This "always taking everyting to the extreme" really annoys me about our current society. There is no moderation anymore; it feels like you must either be extremely happy or extremely sad/angry/whatever. You can no longer be "a little sad about it", you must show that you're crying a river over it or whatever.

I think that may be one of the reasons why I prefer emoticons. They don't have that problem as much as you can't easily express extreme emotions with them. :'( is about as bad a "crying" usually gets for example and when someone writes xD, you know they're taking a piss.

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