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[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

et. al

I wouldn't mess with her, she contains multitudes!

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We are Borg et al. Resistance is futile.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I am 7 of etc etc

[–] chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

ITT people baww at the mere mention of race and gender, and proceed to behave as if the problem is other people being too sensitive about race and gender.

[–] davemeech@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm very sorry, but what is ITT and baww?

[–] mysteryname101@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ITT. In this thread.

Bawww in this context means “cry”

[–] davemeech@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the clarification. This is how I find out that I'm old.

[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

What does old mean to you? Maybe you're just not terminally online 😅

.... ITT has been used since early 00s AFAIK (2003 urban dictionary https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ITT). It's possible that it was used before that I just couldn't find any "proof" and can't remember it personally.

The bawwww I just got contextually. Plus sounded out it kinda sounds like someone bawling their eyes out. QQ

[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago

What does skin color and gender have to do with this?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Funny, but what does the skin color have to do with the situation?

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

When a given demographic is a dominant presence in a given area (not necessarily work, it can be anything), there is a tendency for they demographic to start making assumptions about other demographics.

In most places, men are the dominant presence, and in most of the "western" world, they will also be white.

In this case, the individual who a white male was doing what's called colloquially, "mansplaining". He was correcting a woman when not only was the woman right, but was the very source he was using to correct her.

This is a consistent and very unpleasant fact of the world that white men will treat anyone of any other demographic as less than equals.

In this specific case, I suspect that the person making that post was pointing to the prejudice and stupidity of the person indirectly insulting her being a systemic issue arising from both gender and sexual entrenchment along with the privilege that allows the dominance of the white male demographic despite their being no quantifiable factor for that group to be dominant other than that privilege.

She, in other words, was pointing out a systemic issue by using an anecdote. Which can be a bit difficult to accept as evidence. Or would be if there wasn't a good century or so of giant piles of anecdotes from real people pointing to that systemic issue not only existing, but being something that holds everyone back.

Truth? Yes, women and people of color are going to assume they're right and whoever they're talking to is wrong just like any humans will. But white dudes have been pulling that crap for multiple generations, and anyone that isn't both white and male get sick of the bad behavior.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I still don't see why adding the skin color was important, but eh, I have other things to deal with, so I don't really care, just found it slightly annoying.

[–] h3rm17@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Gender not important also, loads of women "mansplain", it's a problem with attitude, not gender or race

[–] HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the post said "a Black trans women interrupted me", would that be also fine, in your eyes?

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are Black trans women known for this kind of behaviour? Are there apologists for Black trans women who make every effort to miss the fucking point that there are people who think this isn't a thing that happens?

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Are Black trans women known for this kind of behaviour?

The question suggests that Black trans women are all alike. It's exactly that kind of generalization that's being criticized.

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[–] HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nonody is "known" for that behaviour. You really just seem to ascribe personality traits to people based on their skin color. I thought we were long past that.

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[–] HollowNaught@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always roll my eyes whenever I see a "you can't do that because you're a woman" character in a show, and then I'm always reminded that these people actually exist

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

these people actually exist

The way it's been explained to me is that so much of the negative interactions in life come from a tiny, tiny number of offenders who manage to be shitty to dozens and dozens of people. So anyone who has to interact with many different people will inevitably encounter that shitty interaction, while most of us normies would never actually behave in that way.

Of the literally thousands of times I've interacted with a server or cashier, I've never yelled at one. But talk to any server or cashier, and they'll all have stories of the customer who yelled at them. In other words, it can be simultaneously true that:

  • Almost all servers and cashiers get yelled at by customers.
  • Very, very, few customers actually yell at servers or cashiers.

In other words, our lived experiences are very different, depending on which side of that interaction we might possibly be on.

When I talk to women in male dominated fields, basically every single one of them has shitty stories about sexist mistreatment. It's basically inevitable, because they are a woman who interacts with literally hundreds or thousands in their field. And even if I interact with hundreds or thousands of women in that same field, just because I don't mistreat any of them doesn't mean that my experienced sample is representative.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wouldn't say very few. I'd say a solid 10% of people are routinely rude, impatient or entitled in a retail or restaurant setting. Even higher in some places.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think you’re right. People want to believe that humans are good but in reality a huge number are deeply broken.

Fixed an autocorrect in edit.

It really is a matter of perspective.

You're saying that 10% of the population being awful means that a "huge number" are deeply broken.

So then 90% are being good! Mind, it doesn't take too many assholes to wreck things for everyone, but it is nice that the majority of folks really are trying to do their best. A sizeable majority, even!

[–] Acamon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe in some places. But when I go out to a restaurant, I'm often surrounded by a few dozen other diners, and no one is acting up or shouting at waiting staff. I have seen customers be obviously rude to staff but it's very rare compared to the number of "normal" interactions. Sure not everyone is friendly and totally polite, but entitled, shouting or just being an ass is an absolute exception, like less than 0.1%. I also worked as a waiter in a couple of different restaurants over a two year period, and don't remember any incidents either to me or my colleagues.

When I read comments like this it makes me wonder if I've been lucky enough to live and work in decent places, and the USA is just an nightmare hellscape, or if the reality there is much more normal and we just hear an unrepresentative sample of it.

[–] imgcat@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

the USA is just an nightmare hellscape

[–] nick@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does “human drivers of fire” mean?

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well I'm here so I guess I'll answer.

There are many human drivers of fire, the first and foremost being, well you know, lighting a fire. And boy, do humans light a lot of fires.

Take for example, here is a map of active fires around the globe, right now:

First order human drivers of fire are things we actively or accidentally do to light a fire. Ignition is a fundamental for fire to happen, and humans cause WAY more ignition events than nature does. Things like a cook fire, burning brush or downed debris for management purposes, infrastructure like power lines or fueling stations, car accidents, lit cigarettes being thrown out etc.. etc.. The timing and frequency of these events directly influence the frequency of fires.

Second order drivers are things like vegetation management, home placing and construction, and other biophysical drivers. For example, introduction of invasive species like bromus tectorum, which burns very readily, represents more fine fuels in the environment. Yadayadayada more fires. Other things around vegetation management would fall into this category, such as the suppression of fire, or the psychical thinning of fuels in forests, or prescribed burns.

[–] nyahlathotep@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well I'm here so I guess I'll answer.

Are... are you McCarty et al., TropicalDingdong?

edit: !rimjobsteve@thiscommunitydoesntexistyet.poo

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No no no, I'm an et al, just no any of those particular et al. I focus on wildfire risk and have read much on the topic. I've read McCarty and many more when it comes to understanding wildfire and wildfire risk. Some of my research focuses on wildfire risk, and spatial features as they relate to wildfire risk, so drivers becomes pretty important when it comes to wildfire risk modeling. I have taken several courses through NASA on the matter even though I don't focus on drivers directly.

This is the kind of thing I'm working on:

The nodes are features, the edges are weights. In this case I'm just looking at structure:structure risk.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm sorry, but you obviously don't understand wildfires. You should really try reading Tropical Dingdongs, Esq.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hilarious. I actually witnessed this online when someone tried to “well actually” another user and it turned out that user was the author of the paper they cited.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I see it happen a lot online with people "looking for help with", but really just looking to vent about, open source software.

And I encounter it a lot at work with policies, reference docs, and little PowerShell scripts I've written.


"Hello I am tech support. Sysadmin, please help with strange situation A"

Sure thing, you'll need to do X.

"But that doesn't match our documentation, it says to do Y and that's not working"

My man, look at the changelog on the first page. I wrote it and made most of the updates for the first year we had it. This is an exception, and adding it to the doc would have bloated it outrageously for how infrequently this comes up. Especially to explain the why. I'd also need to try to cover all the other rare exceptions, which would turn the doc into an absolutely useless shitshow. Anyway, I should have a PowerShell script to handle it, give me a bit to find it.

"Ahckstually, Numpty #3 says our team has a PowerShell script to handle it already, no worries! Thanks!"

Motherfu- My brother in christ who do you think wrote that? You know I used to be on your team, and I just said- My name is in the first line of the scri- I mean cool, glad I could help you get it sorted.


Similar story, talking with a vendor. Again, I'm the one not in quotes.

I need you to connect me with a technical resource on your side for assistance with attempting an alternate solution Y for the issue we are facing, which Important Muckety Muck #7 in my company said you were able to do for them. I understand that I previously suggested that we could do X on our side as a solution for our problem. As we've moved forward in other places on this project, we have found that X will not work for us as a solution for reasons A, B, and C.

(He's breathing loudly through his mouth, hanging agape between words like some great panting missing-link-between-man-and-ape who has somehow found his way into a sales position. Somewhere in the dark recesses of his mind, the sounds of the wind through jungle trees, the calls of ancient and exotic birds and animals, the quiet noises of strange insects alien to this modern time and place, all combine into a beautiful primal music lost to the modern world. It flits through his subconcious, never quite fully able to be grasped.)

"I am the technical resource. According to my notes, X was identified as a solution to your problem."

(This was not some poor third world guy stuck in a call center having to follow a basic help desk script. Same first language, a few states away, he'd been involved with this project the whole way)

AS STATED IN MY PREVIOUS EMAIL

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

BOFH vibes haha

[–] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She is McCarty for sure but I doubt that she is et al too ...

[–] thechadwick@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We're all et al on this glorious day!

[–] Chef@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Speak for yourself.

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