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[–] criitz@reddthat.com 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This seems to throw the baby out with the bathwater in regards to Linux. Because Linux doesn't have a desktop that is user friendly in all cases, it can't ever be a laypersons OS. Except for Mac OS, but that doesn't count for reasons.

I'm not sure. I guess you have to admit the author is right about the Linux desktop experience: seems nice until a simple task requires some arcane coding and command line fu. Even as a very tech savvy user I run into these challenges. But its usually because I'm trying to make the OS do something (for free, and very custom) that I couldn't even do on Windows unless maybe there's an existing app developed to do it (which will be inflexible and pricey).

But is the best option to give up on Linux and make something else? I'm not convinced. Seems like the xkcd "we need a new universal standard!" joke.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 months ago

Linux makes a perfectly fine OS for the layperson. Linux Mint, Debian anything since Bookworm, modern Plasma is a dream.
Not sure what point you were trying to make about Mac OS. It's completely unrelated.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

MacOS kernel is actually a BSD UNIX and contains no part of Linux.

But I think that's really interesting, because I think this author would agree that MacOS is a user friendly operating system, even if it might not be a privacy respecting operating system.

And that makes sense, because MacOS has architectural similarities to BeOS through its NeXTSTEP heritage. They both have microkernel architecture, with an extensive system-provided graphical toolkit (both systems use the word "kits" for libraries) in an object oriented programming language (C++ for BeOS; Objective-C for NeXT and MacOS). Both BeOS and NeXTSTEP started development around the same time in the 1990s.

So the complaint about Linux here has nothing to do with the Linux kernel. I don't think the author cares about system calls, networking performance, or driver support. The complaint is with the GNU tools + GNOME or KDE or whatever user space that has no design guidelines, and where the only real lingua franca is the old sh shell.

I feel like the people warning not to ditch Linux here are mainly worried about hardware support, which is also very valid. But this stuff we're talking about here is also valid, and it's a serious problem for Linux.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

For those who don't want to read the article to find out, the great saviour OS is Haiku, apparently.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Haiku (operating system)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_(operating_system)

Haiku, originally OpenBeOS, is a...
... free and open-source operating system for personal computers. It is a community-driven continuation of BeOS and aims to be binary-compatible with it, but is largely a reimplementation with the exception of certain components like the Deskbar.[7] The Haiku project began in 2001, supported by the nonprofit Haiku Inc., and the operating system remains in beta.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

I think Haiku looks pretty cool, but this is kind of like comparing a car with all kinds of features to something with 3 out of 4 wheels, a cobbled in dining room chair, and no doors. The engine is also cool, but the transmission only has 2 gears.

Haiku doesn't have nearly the feature parity to replace Windows, and it took Linux the better part of 30 years to get there.

[–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

This article doesn't really make sense to me.

The author talking about how difficult Linux is

Suddenly, I need the skills of a system administrator to resolve the issue—skills I don’t have. Now remember, I’ve been programming computers since 1980; I’ve written code in COBOL, APL, Fortran, BASIC, SNOBOL, LISP, and Perl. I’ve built my own PCs, configured domain names to activate websites, set up dual-boot systems, and hacked the Windows registry. I’ve worked in UNIX and VMS and mainframes, and was one of the first hundred or so users of the World Wide Web, back when it was a command-line program for accessing physics preprints at CERN.

I have half of that experience but have been able to install and run Arch without being defeated. And I installed Mint awhile ago and had an even easier time with that. I understand the underlying complaint that it's built on the CLI which can be hard to get used to, but still...

BeOS could do things in 1995 that Windows, Linux, and MacOS can’t do in 2024. (Try load-balancing the individual threads of your running programs, or switching processors on or off whenever you want.)

I... guess? Would the average person want to do that? I thought this was supposed to be for the average person who isn't allowed to poke around and break everything easily.

The OS itself has been rock solid, although it doesn’t recognize my sound card, and some apps have crashed. The experience takes me back to the early days of Linux distros, except that the core desktop functionality is spectacularly well-designed and consistent. Haiku is as easy to use as Windows ever was.

-_-

For that to happen, Haiku has to mature. It needs to become stable enough for daily use (in my experience, it already is) but also be usable on a wide variety of modern systems, and that means more device drivers for, for instance, my sound card. The project needs more than one full-time developer; for this, they need money. This is where we can come in.

So yeah, it sounds like a cool project. I might even try it out. It sounds like porting programs from Linux to Haiku is easy, so I don't see why they can't coexist at least. But this article just seems to contradict itself and is promoting an OS that the average person isn't going to be able to intuitively or easily use for probably a long time.

[–] Lugh 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

People have grumbled and put up with Big Tech privacy invasions before, but I wonder if this time is different. Microsoft's plan for Windows with AI sounds deeply unappealing. The idea of an AI tracking everything you do on your computer might be a red line for many people. Microsoft promised that they wouldn't harvest or use the data, but that promise has been broken so many times by Big Tech, that many have lost trust.

This article is an interesting look at an alternative path for a private open-source desktop OS. Interestingly, although it's Linux-compatible, it's not Linux, and OP says it's superior.

I suspect lots of people will do more than grumble this time around, and the backlash against AI, data harvesting, and the loss of privacy will grow.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

My trust doesn't just stop at tech companies ..it's extended to basically any company at this point.

I'm excluding myself from society.

[–] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

The idea of an AI tracking everything you do on your computer might be a red line for many people.

I wish I was that optimistic but convenience and 'vendor lock in' are a hell of a drug.