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[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Totally agree on both.

I read the GOT books, and I'm convinced that HBO is the reason why Martin messed this all up. There was a whole other Targeryen, Aegon VI, that was running around being some charismatic cool dude and also making a claim to the Iron Throne. HBO just cut him out, and I'm convinced that what was supposed to happen was everything was him vs. Danerys at the end, and he took the iron throne, and would have been sitting on it when the dragon fried it, which would have killed him and the throne and left Danerys as the obvious true ruler because she has that fire magic.

But we'll never know because Martin cashed his checks and peaced out.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm actually convinced that this is Martin's ending and everything to get us there was made up by HBO. Seeing the absolute backlash has scared the shit out of him and that's why it won't be finished.

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

100% same. As if he saw all the hate, didn't want to put forth the effort to explain the discrepancy, and shelved the last book until it all dies down. Maybe even a posthumous publishing just to avoid the haters.

People are trash. What is wrong with us? It's like anyone that does anything cool and can't keep up perfection forever has no other option but to be a total pariah is they slip.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

He's already admitted as much, there are minor changes to what he'd planned but the show's ultimate ending is very similar to what he'd written in his notes. Bran becomes the king in the South for some reason, Samsa queen in the North, Aria goes off on an adventure and John Snow goes back to the night watch, having grown exactly 0% after they fucking murdered him, which consequently is where the books leave off.

So if you take that ending as canon, that John Snow dies and so Westeros falls, I gotta say it's a brave ending.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Jon doesn't go back to the Watch in the finale. He gets exiled to the Watch again, but immediately goes AWOL to join the free folk.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

That's right, well that at least makes more sense.

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Oh, I wasn't aware he had talked that in detail about his ideas.

And it's weird that he goes from "No one is safe" dispatching Ned Stark early on, to some Breakfast Club ending. I always figured HBO rounded down to their lowest common denominator level and that's why we got what we got. Oh well....