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Image is of the Freedom Band performing at the end of the Second National Congress of the Socialist Movement of Ghana, sourced from this article. The same article contains most of the information used in the preamble below.


A little over a week ago, the Socialist Movement of Ghana concluded its second National Delegates Congress in Aburi, gathering 300 delegates from across the country. There, they deepened their commitment to the working class of Ghana and committed to intensifying political education and organization at the grassroots. The SMG itself decided to not electorally contest the 2024 elections in Ghana, but still presented a manifesto, and nonetheless managed to get two SMG members parliamentary seats in the National Democratic Congress.

Anyway, back to the National Delegates Congress: the delegates agreed that the Western imperialist system is now under a profound crisis, in which the likely future is a heightening of brutality, chaos, and resource plundering - a future which must be resisted and organized against.

To summarize their various statements and condemnations:

  • Inside Ghana: a commitment to women's rights, youth empowerment, and environmental protection.
  • A condemnation of the resource plundering of the Democratic Republic of the Congo by imperialist powers.
  • A salute to the people of Mali, Niger, and Burkina Faso, in their campaign against outside imperial control in the Sahel.
  • A condemnation of Morocco's illegal occupation of the Western Sahara, and a call for the UN to identify the independence of the Sahwari people.
  • A strong condemnation of Israel's genocidal atrocities and massive terrorist operations against nearby countries, and support for Palestinian independence.
  • Support for the people of Haiti against outside imperial domination.
  • A call for the end of the blockade on Cuba and their removal from the State Sponsors of Terrorism list.
  • Solidarity with Maduro and the people of Venezuela against the United States.
  • A rejection of all imperialist aggression and sanctions against Iran.
  • A condemnation of NATO's decades-long military expansion eastwards towards Russia, especially as it has now resulted in massive devastation and risks a third world war.
  • And finally, a commitment to Pan Africanism and international solidarity with all oppressed peoples around the world.

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Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

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https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
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[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 52 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (7 children)

Short rant and some thoughts about the left and immigration:

I commented below in response to the post about Putin’s blaming “mass immigration” for destroying European culture, and thought maybe to expand a bit more from that comment.

It’s been a bit unsettling for me this week because of the overreaction spontaneously erupted on the Chinese internet regarding the K visa. As a country not known for its openness for immigration, for about an 48-hour window, this was perhaps the first time that many - based on an unsubstantiated rumor - have had to grapple with the anxiety of facing “mass immigration”.

Although I’ve seen widespread latent and casual racism and xenophobia over the years, especially against Indians, this is really the first time that such spontaneous eruption of anti-immigration discourse that occurred in a very organic fashion, when the “fear of mass immigration” is suddenly being perceived as real instead of something you’d never thought could happen in your country.

The short version is that China announced a new K visa for foreign STEM talents back in August that would be implemented on October 1st, without much attention paid to it. Then last month, Trump imposed a $100k free on H-1B, and Western media started reporting on how China is going to benefit from it, and pointed to China’s K visa policy.

Somehow, someone put the two together and just 2-3 days before the National Day when the K visa was due to be officially implemented, fearmongering rumors began to spread virally on Chinese social media, insinuating that how it opens up the floodgates for foreigners to enter China.

To be fair, the policy announcement appears half-baked without much detail about how exactly it is going to be implemented, so it leaves people more confused than ever. You can apply for the visa if you are:

  • 18-45 years old
  • Holds a STEM bachelors degree from a “renowned” school or work in a “renowned” institute
  • No language requirement
  • No employment requirement

The biggest problem here lies in what exactly is the purpose of the K visa?

I doubt any foreigner who don’t speak Mandarin Chinese semi-proficiently will ever get hired by Chinese companies because most of them are absolutely not equipped to communicate in another language. So, where are these people going to find work?

If we’re talking about foreign talents working in academia, then there is already an R visa “high-level foreign talents” for top people in the field, yet the simple requirement here is simply holding a bachelors degree.

Finally, if we’re talking about foreign multinational corporations that are indeed equipped to accommodate English speakers, then these companies have their own recruitment process, competitive application process and visa sponsorship, not to mention very limited spots usually only available for the top graduates.

As such, it is easy to see where there is plenty of room for imagination, and fearmongering conspiracies were abound, with plenty of comments like “I can finally understand what MAGA / rednecks (红脖子) are going through in their country”.

In general, the complaints took on a few flavors (cw: racism, obviously):

  1. More competition in the labor market - “we already have plenty of Masters and PhD graduates with couldn’t find jobs, why are we trying to attract more foreigners with only Bachelor’s degree?” - this is the one I consider to be the most valid criticism.
  2. Anxiety about immigrants flooding the country - “We don’t want low-quality (“inferior”, 劣质) foreigners to flood our country! Have you seen how Indians have built an entire industry of “fake qualifications” to game the Western immigration system?” - this obviously refer to Indians and Africans whom many only know of through the most uncharitable stereotypes propagated through online viral content and have never interacted with any of them in real life
  3. Anxiety about “losers back home” Westerners - “Who do you think are the foreigners (洋人) that would want to come here? Obviously those who are losers who could no longer compete in their own countries!”
  4. Latent sexual anxiety about foreigners coming in and marrying the local women - this really just follows an already intensifying gender discourse(TM) taking place since the past year, in a country where there is already gender imbalance, and an ongoing trend where marriage registration has been trending down and divorce rates have been trending up (apparently has a lot to do with economic downturn).
  5. It’s actually a backdoor for rich overseas Chinese who have emigrated to come back - this is, funnily enough, the most likely explanation for the government’s policy that has remained so obscure, but what do we know?

Nonetheless, the actual reasons are not important. What is interesting, and scary, is the overreaction against the perceived “threat” of mass immigration, which was likely a culmination of a combination of factors, including the precariousness of the average people who are anxious about the unstable job market and economic uncertainty, being persistently fed with widespread viral content that propagate the most uncharitable stereotype about other countries, as well as the intensifying antagonism between the sexes as less and less people are interested in settling down to raise a family.

Typically, as leftists, we would associate this kind of anti-immigration anger to be intrinsic to capitalist countries, because the capitalists want the working class to hate each other. But how can you explain the situation in China?

A point to make here is that there is also increasing cognitive dissonance between perceiving one own’s country to have become a great superpower with the many advanced technologies, surpassing even the West, yet at the same time they are working harder and longer hours than ever, no stability in the job market, wages are barely rising, quality of life is not improving, the house prices remain far out of reach, and there is a general pessimistic outlook for future.

To give you an example, imagine you went through your primary school in the 2000s, chances are in a few years, your parents would soon purchase a new house, one that would be a huge upgrade over your childhood home in some provincial town. Things look to be getting better by the day, and you dream about doing the same one day.

Then, you went through middle/high school hoping to score in gaokao to get into university, obtain a degree and get a nice paying job post-college, settle down and raise a family. There was already some alarming trend about the property market, and the house prices are starting to look a bit out of reach, but nothing too much to worry yet.

By the time you are studying in university, the property price would have peaked and plunged. It would have been a good thing if it weren’t such a drag on the entire economy, and you are suddenly facing a worse prospect that you never thought would happen growing up: unemployment, or the poor prospect of getting employed.

This is how fast an economic trend can go in China - what takes several generations of wealth accumulation to happen in Western capitalist countries, it can happen in 10-15 years in China. You are literally experiencing the rise and fall in real time, and there is obviously a lot of cognitive dissonance to take in.

Yes, the country is now a superpower. We have the most advanced 6th gen fighter. We have the best EV industries in the world. The best robotics and automation in industries. But - is that making your life easier? Why are you only getting two off-days per month? Why are you still being asked to work overtime by your boss every damn week? Despite being more productive than ever, why are your wages not rising?

All of this anxiety is being coalesced into a latent rage. It is perhaps not surprising that people would lash out when they hear some fearmongering rumor about mass immigration.

And I think there’s some lesson for the left here when it comes to immigration:

  1. You better make sure you can create a system with a robust social safety net, minimum wage, job guarantee, free housing and healthcare that are all sacred rights to the workers.
  2. You must be able to convince the people that they are getting the fair distribution of wealth in the economy that are in proportion with their labor.
  3. You must be able to convincingly demonstrate that you have the economic means to implement all these policies in a fair manner, and that foreigners seeking employment in your country is not here to take away the wealth and the fruits of their labor, nor are they here to drive down wages and cause competition in the labor market.
[–] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 2 points 1 hour ago

Tbh not so sure about that mass immigration even on paper, In the US the possible BS-PhDs that could go for it, but they're not likely to immigrate out since 1. lack money and 2. language and 3. for a good deal of them despite being personally beaten senseless by the invisible cudgel of the market still fall for typical F tier agency propaganda. Now, I think this applies a lot to the west at large, global south 0 clue so, but I still get the sense a lot of the whole concept of this opening the floodgates is overstated though the econ anxiety will be there until the economy evolves properly.

There's probably going to be a huge steam investment and push sometime in the future I figure, must be getting all the workers to power it in place and local talent isn't enough and maybe there's a plan for a more international expansion in the future, ex more fine semiconductor factories to think of an obvious one.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 25 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Have you seen how Indians have built an entire industry of “fake qualifications” to game the Western immigration system?” -

Ironically this is exactly the same propaganda levelled at the sneaky chinese who are ontologically predisposed towards cheating, "cheating is chinese culture, they cheat at everything!"

Nonetheless, the actual reasons are not important. What is interesting, and scary, is the overreaction against the perceived “threat” of mass immigration, which was likely a culmination of a combination of factors, including the precariousness of the average people who are anxious about the unstable job market and economic uncertainty, being persistently fed with widespread viral content that propagate the most uncharitable stereotype about other countries, as well as the intensifying antagonism between the sexes as less and less people are interested in settling down to raise a family.

The country has been isolationist forever and has made almost no effort to spread internationalism. This attitude is not actually that surprising amongst its population when its leadership have an international attitude of keeping to themselves. The population are only mirroring what the official chinese policy on international engagement is.

If the state's official line is zero solidarity with the international working class then the population holding zero solidarity with the international working class is to be expected.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

The country has been isolationist forever and has made almost no effort to spread internationalism.

Not true though. China aided Korea and Vietnam and sacrificed heavily for that. Although you can claim it’s mostly self-preservation because of the proxy wars by the US, at least half a million of the People’s Volunteer Army died fighting against the Americans.

Ironically, it was after opening up under Deng that China had changed its internationalist position. China did invade Vietnam to appease the Americans though, but this is part of the process of being “integrated” into the global market and the neoliberal framework.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

These are neighbours and also asian. I would think the reaction is probably not that different to a German and another european, which is mostly fine... Things get totally different when it's neither of those things though.

[–] Boise_Idaho@hexbear.net 2 points 1 hour ago

I feel like people need to study China-Pakistan relations more. China-US, China-Russia/SU, China-Vietnam, China-Korea, and China-India get all the attention while China-Pakistan is an underexplored topic among the left even though the two countries border each other, have a common enemy that also borders them, and have border disputes with each other (and the common enemy).

I don't have a good read of this relationship. My understanding is that China mostly left Pakistan to fend for itself in its various wars with India, but China is apparently the main reason how Pakistan even got nukes in the first place? Pakistan's political class is apparently pro-US, but the vast majority of their weapons are Chinese?

If China didn't help Pakistan jumpstart its nuclear program, which is the official line of China and Pakistan, then the case for Chinese isolationism is clear: China largely kept to itself while Pakistan and India were at war because its default foreign policy is isolationism. China did not intervene because the CPC felt that Pakistan could put up a fight (although they lost East Pakistan/Bangladesh in one of the wars) while China intervened in Korea because Korea was about to be completely overrun by the US. China not militarily helping Pakistan would then lead to Pakistan nuking up because Pakistan needed a trump card against India and could not militarily rely on China.

This is, of course, assuming that China didn't help Pakistan with its nuclear program. If China actually did, which is the official line of the West and India, then China simultaneously not militarily helping Pakistan in its wars but helping Pakistan nuke up is far more perplexing.

[–] ColombianLenin@hexbear.net 21 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

If the state's official line is zero solidarity with the international working class then the population holding zero solidarity with the international working class is to be expected.

Agree but I think it's the other way around, if the civil society don't care for proletarian internationalism, the state will reflect that, especially in China.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 19 points 5 hours ago

I agree. And think it's a very dangerous position to be in. What happens if this background national chauvinism evolves into supremacism?

[–] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 4 hours ago

To survive China ended its more „disruptive“ revolutionary characteristics such as internationalism, especially post gang of four, then the long years of the socialist nadir sanded off those revolutionary characteristics in its populace. Its not an enviable position to be in for the Chinese vanguard.

A wish for economic sovereignty is required for global south nations, but the very same ideology does provide groundcover for less than ideal attitudes about other nations. The conservatism with socialist aesthetics, which is ideology the revisionist forces like russia promote doesn’t seem to help that situation.

[–] MelianPretext@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

But - is that making your life easier?

Lmao. The Maoist argumentation is wrong because it deliberately misses the forest for the trees in a facile "but what have the Romans done for me?" style of argumentation that Chinese online rhetoric often have this rather peculiarly unique characteristic of framing as if they're the first people in history to try such a sophistic stunt. China has objectively in all parameters gone through the greatest collective mass poverty alleviation campaign in human history. The Economist, RAND, The Atlantic all have articles where they admit this with gritted teeth yet you can't even say the same about Chinese Maoist/Ultra/Libs, which is interesting. I've lately come to understand this style of Socratic-aping Chinese rhetorical style much better after discovering Chinese Maoist forums like v2.redchinacn.org, which has incidentally gone off the deep end with Kirk apologia recently.

In any case, the anti-immigration sentiment is simply a continuation of the same movement from 2020, where online backlash quashed the Chinese permanent residency reform project. Similarly, this K visa initiative is essentially a second attempt that follows in the footsteps of that 2020 draft proposal which aimed at: "China would formally expand the pool of immigrants that could qualify for P.R. to a still select but larger group of high-income or highly educated long-term migrants." K visa would be the 0.5 version, where the goal is merely to get visa holders rather than broach the subject of permanent residency.

There's a decent article in Routledge's Journal of Contemporary China analyzing that episode though it has the typical "they have nationalists, we have patriots" sort of academic orientalism. The author notes the typical emotionally-overwrought sort of nakedly manipulative discourse that is profuse on the Chinese internet being used: "As a Han Chinese, I am crying softly,"; "I am here! 1.4 billion compatriots are here! As a Chinese, if it is necessary, there will be action on May 4!"

Beyond that kind of nonsense, the actual substantive objections that the author summarizes are the same ones being reused five years later against this K visa initiative.

The draft regulations to many seemed to fit in a tradition of the state privileging foreign nationals, at a time when domestic employment and residential conditions for many Chinese citizens are considered far from adequate. Attracting larger numbers of immigrants to aid China’s development, also sounds inappropriate to some, given China’s recent history of government-enforced family planning. Some suggest revising the regulations to eliminate any loopholes for so-called ‘low-quality’ migrants and to include guarantees that P.R. holders would not be privileged over local Chinese.

Part of the contradiction is that these foreign workers are predominantly drawn to major urban locations like Shanghai known both for their Chinese liberal population and their deluded "I am a global citizen" type of multinational suit wearing capitalists. Both groups ideologically would favor foreign workers of select demographics and this creates the sort of imagery of privilege that provokes this sort of backlash, though it should be said that the Chinese online vocal minority commentariat often has this sort of self-orientalizing narcissism that assumes all other 1.4 billion people in their country are a hive mind that secretly share their personal political opinion, if only but for the dastardly Weibo censors preventing their posts' true updoot numbers from coming to light, as seen by the cited "I am here! 1.4 billion compatriots are here!" style of comments.

Another one of the issues is the typical catch-22 associated with most socialist governments, which is that they are overly sensitive of their Western-propaganda maligned depiction as "repressive authoritarian regimes" which makes them excessively petrified by accusations of "authoritarianism" through alleged governmental overreach, rendering them particularly indecisive and obsequious in instances when they ought to be standing their ground and demonstrating some faith in their governing mandate and legitimacy. This makes socialist governments exceptionally vulnerable to groups that are aware of this contradiction and then deliberately take advantage of it. This is how the 2020 PR draft was shut down. This is how the "white paper" Shanghai lib protesters are credited with "ending" Zero Covid, as if they weren't always a minority and the vast majority of people by all accounts silently still tolerated the policy.

In 20th century socialist states, this was how the DDR failed to react to the Berlin Wall breach debacle, totally capitulating to the BRD in spite of most East German citizens preferring a negotiated union rather than the total annexation by the West as it happened in reality. It was also how the CPSU (or what was left of it) tolerated the illegal secession of the Baltics and why the August putschists spinelessly dithered in 1991. Incidentally, the 1989 Tiananmen failed counter-revolution was the only major time a socialist government stood their ground against this sort of issue and that decision is why the People's Republic still exists today.

Overall, it’s actually good for the xenophobia to make itself plain, because that’s the only way it can be ever addressed in the first place. While socialist states have promoted societal internationalist values of tolerance, we saw how easily they were subverted following the fall of those states. Superficial tolerance led to Khrushchev blathering about how the USSR "solved the nationality issue." In the DDR, this gave way to Neo-Nazis and the AfD; in the USSR, this gave way to ethnic pogroms in the 90s and the current disastrous state of the former Soviet world. China has the privilege of those types outing themselves while the socialist state still holds power so it will be interesting to see if they concede once again to the vocal minority on this matter or push ahead forward.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

As I mentioned in the post, I think it has more to do with a lack of social welfare, jobs guarantee, free healthcare and housing that exacerbate the precariousness of the working class people. These are all basic guarantees that should exist in a socialist country, but the problem was not as palpable after the opening up because the country was experiencing rapid growth for decades.

Now that the growth has slowed down, the lack of such social safety nets is compounding the precariousness for your average worker.

Whether it’s the post-USSR, DDR as you mentioned, or “social democratic” Europe, it all coincides with the erosion of social welfare and workers rights being abandoned as even the left-wing parties in these countries adopted neoliberal policies since the 1990s (for some, it’s even earlier).

[–] Boise_Idaho@hexbear.net 8 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Lmao. The Maoist argumentation is wrong because it deliberately misses the forest for the trees in a facile "but what have the Romans done for me?" style of argumentation that Chinese online rhetoric often have this rather peculiarly unique characteristic of framing as if they're the first people in history to try such a sophistic stunt. China has objectively in all parameters gone through the greatest collective mass poverty alleviation campaign in human history. The Economist, RAND, The Atlantic all have articles where they admit this with gritted teeth yet you can't even say the same about Chinese Maoist/Ultra/Libs, which is interesting. I've lately come to understand this style of Socratic-aping Chinese rhetorical style much better after discovering Chinese Maoist forums like v2.redchinacn.org, which has incidentally gone off the deep end with Kirk apologia recently.

There's a decent article in Routledge's Journal of Contemporary China analyzing that episode though it has the typical "they have nationalists, we have patriots" sort of academic orientalism. The author notes the typical emotionally-overwrought sort of nakedly manipulative discourse that is profuse on the Chinese internet being used: "As a Han Chinese, I am crying softly,"; "I am here! 1.4 billion compatriots are here! As a Chinese, if it is necessary, there will be action on May 4!"

though it should be said that the Chinese online vocal minority commentariat often has this sort of self-orientalizing narcissism that assumes all other 1.4 billion people in their country are a hive mind that secretly share their personal political opinion, if only but for the dastardly Weibo censors preventing their posts' true updoot numbers from coming to light, as seen by the cited "I am here! 1.4 billion compatriots are here!" style of comments.

So basically "netizens gonna netizen?"

[–] ColombianLenin@hexbear.net 27 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

What's mostly disappointing from reading all this is the clear failure of Chinese socialist ideology in translating into proletarian internationalism. When you have a supposedly socialist society bitching about muh immigrants you have failed in trying to create solidarity between working class peoples.

This likely explains why the Chinese government has no intention of helping liberation or socialist struggles around the world (ie Gaza). The civil society in China don't really care that much any more than what the rest of the people in the world already do.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 3 points 2 hours ago

As I mentioned, I think the perceived threat of immigration is a culmination of many factors, but the most important I believe is just how precarious the employment for an average person is right now.

These weren’t problems when China was enjoying double digit growth from a rising export industries 10-15 years ago, or when the property market was booming before Covid. Back then, jobs were easy to find, and money could be easily earned as long as you are willing to work hard. But it is a problem now.

It is no coincidence that China has been experiencing deflation and poor domestic consumption, despite efforts to raise it.

Instead of giving more subsidies to encourage consumer spending, the government should focus on establishing social welfare, jobs guarantee, free healthcare and free housing (ironically, ended in 1998) so people have a safety net. These should all be basic guarantees for a socialist country and you cannot solve the fundamental economic issue without that.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 22 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (3 children)

The massive spike in anti Indian racism over the past year or so globally has been crazy to witness. It feels very artificial and almost "astroturfed", if I can even describe it that way. Quite sad that's now reached China. It's also very weird to me personally, because almost none of the racist stereotypes about Indians apply to the Indian diaspora where I live, whom basically have their own culture seperate from the "motherland" and seperate from the recent waves of Indian immigration to the west. Most of the Indians arrived over here well before the partitioning of India even happened and have lived here for centuries.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

While not the only reason, it’s the viral propagation of online social media content that often feature the most dramatic or uncharitable stereotype of certain countries. This is especially problematic when they reach people who have never interacted with outsiders/foreigners for much of their lives. It’s the same as boomer chuds living in suburban America thinking that big liberal cities are warzones when you can be robbed or killed just walking on the streets lol.

Just one example: when the airliner crashed in Washington DC not too long ago, clips like this spread like fire and people were making fun of how it’s dangerous to live in America. You get the idea - the most shocking content are often the ones that reach the audience and this is how their impression of a certain country is formed.

[–] Boise_Idaho@hexbear.net 7 points 4 hours ago

I mostly see this as the birth pangs of true multipolarity. The two existing poles, the US and China basically, have reasons to see the rise of India as a threat. As India becomes more powerful and consequently more of a threat, the Indophobia will skyrocket. It's like how Sinophobia exploded during the 20s. Sinophobia exploded at around the same moment when the West was finally clued in that China is going to surpass them.

The Indophobia will be spread partly from propaganda pushed out by the two respective governments and partly by insecure USian/Chinese nationals who don't want more competition. They will use their respective propaganda apparatus to push Indophobia onto their respective cultural spheres so it's not just going to be USian and Chinese nationals parroting Indophobic garbage.

Most disappointing I've seen are various Yemeni Twitter accounts also stooping into Indophobia. But it shouldn't be too surprising. Modi is an Islamophobic fascist who uses an Islamophobic pogrom as the foundation of his political career, India doesn't even bother showing token support to the Palestinians, and Pakistan offers (token) support to the Palestinians. Their Indophobia is not through Western influence, but through Chinese/Pakistani influence instead.

[–] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I suspect there is a fair amount of astroturfing on xiaohongshu considering how many pro-MAGA weirdos are on there, even from Chinese locales.

Feels like once it was established that westerners would be using it, some US entities scrambled to get their bots on there, not taking care to adapt them for XHS and Chinese culture, so they default to US flavored culture war brainworms.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 2 points 2 hours ago

The irony this time is that the nationalist accounts were the first to panick lol. They spent way too much time cultivating an audience blasting “mass immigration” policies in Western countries (which to be fair, is not entirely free from critique) that they never thought it would be something they had to deal with, given China’s usual tough policy on immigration.

[–] Hermes@hexbear.net 15 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

What I don't get, is that China has both an unemployment and overwork problem. Surely, there is an obvious solution to this, what is preventing it from being implemented?

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 4 points 2 hours ago

Hate to repeat myself, but the problem is that the Chinese government has been the best student of the IMF, keeping its government deficit under 3% for almost every year except 2020, 2023 and this year is projected to be ~4%:

In order to spend and invest domestically while keeping your deficit low, you need to have add corresponding asset (usually earning foreign currencies) to offset your spending. This led many countries to adopt the export-led growth model to keep their deficit low.

You can also borrow from financial institutions, which is where the bulk of money supply in China came from - deposits created during commercial bank lending:

As a result, China’s M2 money supply is far higher than the US even though its monetary base is much smaller than the US, which “prints” the money freely whenever the US federal government wants to spend e.g. during Covid.

Pay attention to the year it began to rise for China: after the GFC in 2008, the slump from Western consumption caused China to turn to infrastructure building (4 trillion yuan stimulus) to stimulate domestic growth.

Because the local governments receive a much smaller proportion of their tax base after the 1994 Tax Sharing Reform, many local governments began to seek for non-tax revenues in the 2000s. Land premium thus became an attractive source of income for local governments when the real economy took a downturn, and so many local governments speculated on land price by driving infrastructure and housing development in order to raise the land value and then selling/leasing the land at a premium.

In turn, the local governments borrowed heavily through shadow banks (LGFVs) that lend out money from various and often dubious sources. This is known as the “hidden debt” and the true scale of the debt can no longer be known. We know it’s at least 12 trillion yuan, because that’s the amount the central government attempted to help alleviate from the November policy last year. After 2015, the local governments were given the authority to issue their own debt/municipal bonds, and the scale of the debt went further out of control.

Additionally, property development also raises GDP numbers, a main KPI for local official promotion. So essentially it’s a “cheat code” to drive up your GDP by keep building more and more houses while not having to invest in the real economy. Good when consumed in small doses, but when it becomes your obsession, it’s gross misallocation of capital that could have been utilized to directly raise the living standard of the people.

In any case, the question is how are you going to settle the local government debt issue. Since the borrowing occurred domestically, in principle, the central government can write off the debt (though that raises the whole other question of whether it is rewarding the most reckless risk takers). However, this does not appear to be on the table at all, and so everyone has to work harder to pay off the debt. The wealth is being funneled into the financial institutions to help the local governments pay off the infrastructure debt borrowed from a decade ago.

Furthermore, there is also this whole green tech inter-regional competition where, following the new priorities set for green technology since the 14th Five Year Plan, many local governments attempted to jump on the bandwagon. Without much coordination between the regions from the central government, the result is that you have overcapacity. It raised the GDP numbers, sure, but many local governments had also already invested (usually with borrowed money) heavily, giving billions and billions of subsidies to the local industries, so the sunk-cost have given them very little off-ramp to step back from such investments. As a result, more investment is being thrown in and hoping that you kill off the competitors while your own invested company survives the onslaught. And that means the wealth is effectively being funneled into propping up companies that would otherwise have failed.

The central government is recently attempting to consolidate the overcapacity in EVs and solar panels, where the industries have driven themselves into making severe losses since last year. That means some regions will have to be the losers, with billions and billions of subsidies now becoming sunk cost that they can no longer recover.

So there you have it (as a concise version of a much more complex topic) - why Chinese people have to work harder and longer hours despite the country is becoming a superpower. It is mostly ideologically imposed due to adopting the neoliberal framework.

The solution would require the Chinese leadership to abandon their neoliberal policies and simply run up the deficit to spend domestically, without having to accumulate foreign assets or borrow from financial institutions. Besides, deficit spending would allow for jobs guarantee program to sustain full employment, while also resolving the domestic consumption problem.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 9 points 5 hours ago

Surely, there is an obvious solution to this, what is preventing it from being implemented?

The profit motive.
The companies/company leaderships are interested in employing as few people as possible and making each of them work as much and for as little as they can get away with, with workers mandatorily being compensated with less than what the companies get from their labour. That's the whole point of investing in private property that is operated by other people's labour.

The solution would be to re-abolish private property, which would also have the benefits of introducing guaranteed housing and universal healthcare.

[–] Satanic_Mills@hexbear.net 15 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Export-led growth. Wages must be kept low to keep prices low.

The only solution to this is boosting the internal market, so the increase in wages is captured by the businesses themselves.

[–] MizuTama@hexbear.net 11 points 6 hours ago

Not the same if someone else says it, chances of a struggle session are lower.

[–] Hermes@hexbear.net 3 points 5 hours ago

Keep wages the same and do a better job distributing working hours.