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I suppose it's up to your defintion of 'deciding factor' but to think the US's invasions of sovereign countries resulting in hundreds of thousands of civilians deaths over the past few decades and support for ongoing genocide isn't tiping the scales is misguided at best
source? I've never seen reliable evidence(outside of easily disproven Zenz's inventions) that China's rights abuses match those committed by the US in Guantaumo, Abu Ghraib etc in severity
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/29/abu-zubaydah-cia-torture-waterboarding-guantanamo
Oh shit, I didn't see your instance. This is a pointless conversation.
When you know you're wrong but you're to stubborn to admit it.
Maybe too propagandized.
Stop harassing me
That was a different user? I'm a different user too. I'm sorry you're getting dogpiled but you should expect people to call you out when you say inflammatory false statements as a matter of fact.
Incredibly soft
jfc stop evading, provide a source for your claims or admit you were wrong
What did you say? don't be an intellectual coward.
So no source?
Facts(UN investigations, photo and video evidence, I can provide sources on request) show that the US has committed far worse rights abuses than china(sexual assault at Abu Ghraib, extreme torture at both and murder and Guantanamo and numerous black-sites, extraordinary rendition etc)
This proves my point about US cultural dominance distorting objective reality: despite facts showing the US committing far more severe human rights abuses you still believe China has committed worse because that is what media you consume portrays
China’s suicide rate is among the lowest on Earth, magnitudes lower than America
No you didn't, but you claimed that China has committed worse ones, I'm asking for evidence of that
source? and I don't mean Falun gong cult members anecdotes laundered to western outlets through Adrian Zenz, actual hard evidence and investigation by neutral third parties or does that not exist?
The US has children getting killed working in abattoirs, and has more workplaces suicides than China Bureau of Labour source and don't install counter measures
The Guardian: ‘It’s all preventable’: tackling America’s workplace suicide epidemic
Yes the Taiwanese company Foxconn absolutely engaged in labour rights violations years ago before the Chinese government cracked down on them, hence why they are planning to move factories to India where the BJP government is less likely to enforce(even its weak in comparison) labour regulations
https://freedium.cfd/https://medium.com/@cailiansavage1/inside-the-myth-of-chinas-suicide-nets-7ae4b9d07015
Ohh, first I recall hearing about the move to India, thanks for this.
funny how libs talk about the foxconn suicide nets as a chinese thing, but then they back down when they learn its a taiwanese company 😂
China is pretty bad, but I feel the US never gets called out for this, so he has a good point.
Unfortunately I don't think that person would ever be open to revaluating their preconceived worldview when presented with new facts, and are comforted by believing the ra-ra americana fairytale sold by Hollywood etc even if objective reality shows it to be false, I actually think they illustrates my point about cultural dominance from my first comment quite well
Source?
and you know this because the US told you so, and they wouldnt lie, would they?
so you dont know it, you're just asserting it. cool beans.
i cant see where you're providing sources for your claims
All factual sources I can find on google show that the US 's human rights abuses are far more severe and larger in scale than any committed by china, do you have any that prove the contrary?
You're really are just proving my initial point that the reason you(and so many others) think china is somehow worse than the US isn't based on any objective factual evidence, rather it's just from vibes you've absorbed from US media and culture.
So you still can't provide a source of your own?
For example: I could tell you some bullshit about vaccines and autism, or trans women in sports, and have you "do your own research on google" and you could find tons of "sources" from dubious authors and probably fascists. Do you even hear yourself? "Do your own research" is literally chud tactic 101, you sound like a Nazi.
And since we are talking sources: https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
There you go that is a comprehensive list of documented US atrocities comprised by the very creator of the software you are currently enjoying use of. Please go ahead and show me even some state department approved drivel that comes even CLOSE to the amount of human suffering caused by the US, I'll wait.
apparently to you, tankies = people who ask for sources to your wild claims
That is such a cop out lmao. You got called out, you have nothing. Take the L and move on.
But you are engaging. You literally could have expended less effort just posting a source for your outrageous claim.
you're refusing to engage so hard that we're like 14 deep in this comment chain now...
you are obviously not mad
Not even a tankie, just someone that understands objective reality better than you. I never even said you were mad, I said your claim was outrageous.
Now I definitely think you're mad though.
you're the one regurgitating the propaganda made up by the biggest fascist country on this planet. how's that feel?
It's also really funny they claim I said they were mad when I said no such thing, but now I am certain they are very mad online.
Googling says you're wrong
ah yes, this is of course how it works. you say something and the burden of proof is on everyone else. Top Mind indeed.
here you are again, making stuff up. we'd accept proof if it didnt come from the US state department or its lapdogs, who have an obvious and well documented vested interest in making shit up about countries they cannot control. but you didnt even try, did you.
and no, this isnt a formal debate, but you're still just making wild claims with no backing, and getting called out for it.
the US is always called out for this?
Do you people live in the sand lol
Fascism is when you don't unquestioningly accept baseless bloodlibel against your nations enemies