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Many EU countries have a "VAT" and like feel like this is kinda targeting poor people. Like, for the rich, this is insignificant, for poorer people, a (example) 20% tax would be a huge burden. Why do they do this?

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[–] philluminati@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In what way does VAT hurt the poor more than the rich? Considering it’s on each item you buy it clearly impacts the rich more than the poor.

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Because VAT is proportional to the item, not the person's income. From one perspective, yes it's a fair system but from another, the cost of living is significantly greater for a poor person than a wealthy person. Many are barely scraping by while others are out wining and dining and still getting plenty for free.

[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't understand what you mean "still getting plenty for free".

I agree that there shouldn't be this kind of wealth inequality, and it's madness that people are starving in countries that are so prosperous, but it's a little disingenuous to ignore the fact that wealthier people pay more in tax. They're not getting stuff for free, they're getting stuff for more than it costs poorer people.

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The thing that comes to mind is Amazon being given brand new warehouses by governments in exchange for barely-humane working conditions. This means, the working stiff has payed for their ability to get a job. Company expansion should come out of that same company's profit margin, not the back pocket of the working force.

[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ah, ok. Sorry, I thought you were referring to well-off 'ordinary' people.

Totally agree that the way governments fawn over corporations is beyond the pale.

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Understandable and it's there that things get blurry. I don't think anyone can argue that Amazon's bottom line is Bezos but on paper Bezos doesn’t have any money because all of his monetary value is tied up in assets. A person with that much money simply ties everything to their company and suddenly they're corporate assets instead of personal belongings, thus tax deductible (imagine the Spongebob rainbow meme here) along with the plethora of other advantages these people get just for being wealthy. Heck, this doesn't even apply to only the insanely wealthy. With a smart accountant, it's applicable to business owners.

Some years ago I worked for a small company where the owner would declare all of his purchases as business assets. Some of those items would become "loss leaders" and simply "disappear" while others would get "rented" to himself at a "generous discount" until he chose to sell it. I got to learn just how perfectly legal it all was the hard way because by the time I was done at the company, I was looking for the biggest bus I could throw him under and it turned out there weren't any. Made me want to puke.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Exactly. I get free healthcare like someone who's being paid minimum wage (or an unemployed person who has registered as unemployed), but I also pay a significant amount in taxes and for most of my career, that has been money that comes from outside my own country and mostly outside the EU, as I've worked for software companies selling their products/services to foreign markets.

Plenty of reason to hate me, but getting free stuff from the gvt isn't one of them, I pay way more for it.