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I’m in my mid 20s, and an atheist. I remember back in 2014, when I was an edgy little shit, I thought once people lost religion, as per the trend, people would be nicer to each other and science would rule the day. Probably a naive thought.

Yet, it feels like nothing is sacred anymore. Everywhere you look it’s just people trying to get their slice of the pie, ethics be damned. Everything feels like it’s going badly. I’ve just graduated and the job market is full of time wasting rituals. It just feels like people have lost touch with decency and community. No one has any pride in what they do.

Correlation != causation of course, and so the decline in religion may not be the cause. Still I wonder if for a certain segment of the population, those that seem to thrive and filter to the top of our wonderful society, the fear of damnation was check on their base impulses.

Or if perhaps this is a part of the process, perhaps the reasonable people have all left the churches leaving an ever growing concentration of barbarous individuals holding the reins of that decrepit institution.

Or it’s just the lack of community that religion once forced upon us, to see and be civil, if not caring for those in our immediate geographic community that hold differing opinions from us. A moderating influence if you will.

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[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

You will really enjoy reading Max Weber’s the Protestant ethic. I think that’s the title. It’s about how Protestant values on work worked really well with the new capitalism and how the values were maintained but god was removed. Highly recommend.

There are plenty of good reads on the sacred. I personally find it odd that you as an atheist have an idea of the sacred. Could you define it?

For community I definitely feel nothing beats religious communities. But it’s not a religion to religion basis but community.

[–] crimsonpoodle@pawb.social 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I will take a look it sounds like an interesting read!

In looking at the definition of sacred I can agree with your confusion, as it seems rather tied in with religion. However, I’ll take the last definition from Webster and say that I mean something that is unassailable, highly valued and important.

While I may not believe in a god, we humans have a penchant for stories, stories passed down through generations which convey some useful truths. Perhaps in a very analytical view we can say that ideals such as: fairness, decency, responsibility, and fidelity are expressions of an evolutionarily advantageous strategy of community building.

Yet, while this may be the underlaying truth, on the day to day it is the feelings of righteous giddiness I get when I read of an ideal that I know to be good and just. While acknowledging the impact of my default wiring and upbringing, I believe we all can choose our moral framework, and live by it.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 2 points 23 hours ago

Here are some brief thoughts on this :)

Thanks for defining and explaining. Based on your last paragraph you seem to have an interest in traditions/religions/or philosophies of life. I recently TA-ed for an undergraduate course which discussed what it means to have a good life. The course went through various religious and philosophical traditions pushing students to question what they value.

It seems like your interest in these values for your self as well as hope to see change in the world.

I would personally recommend you read through traditions and see what is interesting or affects your personal values :)

Some content you may enjoy include:

If it adds anything, I personally went from culturally Christian, to radically Christian and maybe somewhat conservative, to being open to eastern religions in undergrad and becoming Buddhist.

That stage of radically challenging my Christianity really made me a better person. It made me more able to challenge my beliefs and see values as important not something to be enforced.

Finally, I want to comment on reading various traditions though as you appear to be more interested in values and the separate you may not find this important. I personally find it harmful to just randomly mix traditions. There certainly are living examples of common and uncommon traditions that frequently mix but I firmly believe the modern day hippie who randomly mixes values and cosmologies creates a weaker system for themselves then if they stuck to the one most applicable. That said, in China it was and is rare for common practitioners to see going to the Buddhist temple one day then the Dalits shrine the other an issue.