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If I were in Saudi Arabia I'd be using a VPN anyways.
Also, if I were in Saudi Arabia, I'd be trying to leave Saudi Arabia
Easier said than done. At least, for the second one.
What are the obstacles in the way of leaving?
Getting citizenship is hard, (even asylum is turned down often). You need a stable job in that country, and above average skills to prove your worth. If not, you'll be deported back.
You also need to stay in that country for [upto] 10 years.
And you have to leave everything behind, your culture, your family, and your friends. It would be too dangerous to go back. And they might not even accept you, immigration is brutal.
Even after you become a citizen, many people will never truly accept you as your own, and see you as an immigrant, never as a citizen.
And Saudi Arabia is well known to harass, spy on, and even kill dissidents. There was a scandal with twitter, where the Sauds bought up large amounts of stocks, then ordered 3,000 Saudi dissident's private info. Even in other countries you aren't safe.
And money. You need money. A shit ton of it.
Just my 2 cents but it's better to be seen as an immigrant in the wide world than to be seen as a threat to the kingdom in SA. Most middle eastern immigrants in the US do very well as long as they respect the social fabric they integrate into.
True, but it's still annoying how it's a lose lose situation for me anyway. I'd rather be seen as abnormal than killed.
Who's giving you asylum exactly for "I'm from Saudi Arabia"? A refugee camp in North Africa if you're lucky?
I know a Saudi in the United States that got asylum because they are gay.
If I may ask, how was their experience applying for asylum? And what do they think of the US as a place to live?
I think they chose to request asylum in the US. They are part of the gay community here. They only provided a short, funny version of their asylum experience, claiming they told whoever that they are very gay, and we're granted asylum.
Thanks, it seemed easy for them being a discriminated minority, hopefully I will have the same experience. Not gay, but other undisclosed stuff that makes me a minority in danger.
The next four years will likely make things more and more difficult for anyone trying to immigrate to the US, asylum or otherwise.
Believe it or not, it's possible. If you're gay, trans, atheist or a whistleblower you are eligible for asylum. But you're right that just being born in Saudi isn't a free ticket to Berlin.
The trick is actually presenting yourself and getting them to believe you though I'd bet.
the government also thretens people who use vpn with jail and heavy fines
Probably not, as long as you are not openly queer, you wont see any reason to leave co sidering the ridiculous amounts of perks you get, its not a 3rd world country or a backwater nation, it is a rich monarchial regime.
Would those perks be extended to most people, or only to a certain subset of people (ie straight, male, religious)? Like, would a bisexual, atheist woman receive the same perks? I get the impression that a lot of people still wouldn't feel accepted there.
I'm genuinely curious. Your comment prompted me to do a little research. I found that Saudi Arabia has been making strides toward women's equality in the past few years. It's doing a lot better than it had been even just six years ago! At the same time, this thread exists, so... I'm skeptical that Saudi Arabia would have enough benefits to outweigh the restrictions that someone like myself would have to live with.
Faux-liberalisation, don't believe MBS's lies. It's better under him, but he's still a dog.
Even straight arab males don't get the best treatment here, but it is the highest amount of priviledge a citizen can get (better than being a lesbian, atheist pakistani woman. Basically guaranteed death). You'd need to be a millionaire or a saudi royal to get the stereotypical gulf priviledge.
Thank you. As I said, I was skeptical. I'm pretty sure I'd hate living there.
I mean, tonight I'll be going out to dinner with both my boyfriend and my girlfriend, as well as all my coworkers. Everybody knows my lifestyle - I can be open in public, with my two favorite people, and know I'm safe and accepted.
I can't imagine a single perk the Saudi government can give me that would be better than that.
You can't imagine, because there isn't :/ Only healthcare is probably better than most countries here for free, but i'd rather be in debt than lose my life or at best, live like a slave.
Have a good date, btw :D
The perks are mostly applicable if you are a native or a naturalized citizen, of course royalty are treated like royalty(if you are working there with sizeable qualifications in a government owned company you can expect more perks than say a skilless construction labor) and nobody is testing how religious you are, this isnt NK where you have to constantly look over your shoulder and count if you have publicly glorified the supreme leader or not, You can be atheist without declaring yourself as such, woman had less rights, but MBS is trying to soften his kingdoms image and its striving towards equality, internet censorship is easily circumventable.
This is all based on what people(who work and immigrated) whom i personally know have told me, but i dont know about closeted or openly queer people.
Rich... But only to the royals/businessmen.
Most of us live normally if not a little worse off than the average westerners.
The only perk I have at all is healthcare. The west is basically better at everything other than that.
If you are a native regardless of royalty, dont you still get a lots of benefits and stuff like welfare? This all based on hearsay, the few whom i personally know that immigrated to work there have said so
Welfare such as healthcare, education, and shelter? Besides shelter (they claim they provide for the homeless, they lie) healthcare & education is free. I can't complain about the healthcare, but i definitely can about the education: It's so bad, it doesn't even matter. Beatings are still practiced in schools, the textbooks are filled with propaganda of all kind, they are completely unsanitary and unfit for a healthy environment. They don't even get school-paid lunches for the children.
And for shelter, i've seen homeless people completely naked, only covered by a blanket, sitting in the blistering heat, starved to the bone. It's BS like everything else.
If i have to give away good healthcare for just not living in Saudi, i'd pay it twosome.
So basically like every other south asian school prior to 2015
I know most countries try to hide their homeless population(even the goody-two-shoes countries like japan) butThis is the first time i have heard of this, how exactly do you become homeless in a welfare state? Its an easy process in a capitalist society but barring political dissenters (who are likely to be executed outright) what must go wrong that you find yourself on the streets.
Also i dont know if its okay to ask but are you a native or there due to circumstances (like a child of first generation immigrants or your parents are working in the country and you just happened to be there)