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Assuming I have a time horizon >10 years.

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[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes. Investing is always worth it unless you have credit card debit.

Set it up to automatically invest into the lowest fee index fund your broker offers.

[–] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The lowest fee ETHICAL index fund. Careless investing is how we got evil corporations.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Can you recommend a single ethical index fund? I've been searching for the past decade

Every time I find one, I look at their holdings and see companies like Google, Meta, Tesla, and for profit banks.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, there aren't many ethics in the world when it comes to money.

[–] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Several funds in my bank have ESG in the name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental,_social,_and_governance
Other terms in their fund names: fossil-free, climate, forest, sustainable agriculture.

Their claims about them:
in Finnish:
https://www.s-pankki.fi/fi/private-banking-ja-varainhoito/vastuullisuus-ja-vaikuttavuus/vastuullisuus-sijoittamisessa/
in Swedish:
https://www.s-pankki.fi/sv/private-banking-och-kapitalforvaltning/ansvarsfullhet-och-paverkan/ansvarsfulla-investeringar/
For machine translation, probably better use Swedish as the source because it shares the Indo-European language family with many of you readers' target languages, and has more speakers so maybe better translation engine training too.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

ESG in the name

Place to start but once you dig into it, it's not great either. A lot of the evaluations basically boil down to negative externalities, namely making sure that somehow whatever is problematic is NOT accounted for. That's how plenty of ESGs end up with ... other banks as stocks. They "abstracted themselves away" from problems whereas in reality they are funding the problems.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wasn't trying to say that ethical funds don't exist, I'm well aware of them. I was saying that when money is on the line, loyalty and ethics often end up second place.

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I'm in the sidelines and I didn't know they existed and wanted to know more so I'm glad they posted it anyway

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

These are pretty cool and I didn't know about them! I'm pretty me to investing, do you just look up ESGs or something?

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The post didn't ask for ethical requirements to be included in the advice.

Appending additional personal requirements turns the conversation towards one's personal soapbox.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The post didn’t ask for ethical requirements to be included in the advice.

Right... everything does have ethical requirements though. As soon as a member of a society does make something that impacts themselves and others it has ethical requirements. Some examples :

  • voting (obviously)
  • buying a Xmas (avoiding slave labor)
  • selecting toilet paper (limiting pollution)
  • buying a coffee (fair trade)
  • paying an electricity bill (source of the energy)
  • posting on Lemmy (avoiding centralization)

Everything, literally everything we do, has ethical requirements. We don't have to say it because it's implied.

Now... if you are genuinely curious about the topic I can only recommend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_in_mathematics showing that even in the most abstract field, there are ALSO ethical requirements. Nobody can avoid that.

[–] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Not funding companies that destroy the planet and kill people is basic decency, not personal taste.