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300 million lbs of fireworks and 2.7 billion dollars gone in a cloud of smoke.

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[–] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Are drones really less pollution than fireworks?

[–] teejay@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] oce@jlai.lu -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Objectively, so you have some data to back it up? Do you have the comparative carbon footprint of those shows?

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Lmao are you being serious or do you lack basic logic, drones are reusable and put off zero emissions, fireworks are not reusable and put off a shit ton of emissions.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Zero emission at use, not at fabrication, probably not when recharging and not as electronic waste at the end. Yes, I am being serious, considering only emission during usage is a very limited view of what carbon footprint is. A view that is often used by companies for green washing. Do you also believe electric cars are zero emissions? Considering full life, knowing which one emits more is not trivial.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

There are emissions in the production of fireworks as well. Drones can be recycled at the end of their life cycle, fireworks cannot be recycled. EVs ARE zero emission just like drones, they offset the emissions put out during their production after around 40k miles and are extremely energy efficient unlike combustible engines. An EV running on a coal fired electric grid puts off less emissions than a prius.

[–] Denvil@lemmy.one 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

B-b-but they use batteries!!! Electricity bad! D:

/s

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago

Batteries = genuinely bad.

Also, energy doesn't always come from clean sources, and even then, they do have footprint of their own.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Please stop with such language, we had enough of it on every mainstream platform.

I genuinely call for civility here.

As per the substance, as already mentioned, the production and later disposal of drones does have ecological footprint that is very much not negligible.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How are fireworks better then?

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 4 months ago

I wasn't the one to claim that, and neither was the person who opposed you, from all I could see.

There's just not enough research/calculation done on drones vs. fireworks, and a lot has to be taken into consideration. How often are the drones used? Are they recycled at the end of life? Which materials are used in their production, and what is their source of energy? etc. etc.

The advantage of fireworks is that they are very simple and use little materials to produce, most of which are safe (but some are not great).

Drones, on the other hand, require a lot of lithium and cadmium, as well as other basic resources like metal/plastic, silicon etc., and some parts of their manufacturing involve high-end facilities that require a lot of resources to maintain correct conditions. All of this leads to high footprint of their manufacturing, and if you use such drone just a few times for some large-scale swarms and then forget about it for a while, this will get way less ecological than fireworks.

Don't get me wrong, the technology is good and drones can absolutely be a superior option. But this heavily depends on how they're used.

[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Drones wouldn't scare the shit out of local wildlife and people's pets at the very least.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They’re not a replacement for fireworks.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 0 points 4 months ago

Parent comment claims it would, so my questions refers to that.